Dont get too happy just yet, Tesla SCs are designed for Teslas.

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

Longer cables and placement of the chargers (in relation to the stalls) will take care of most of the issues. Further down the road, we might even see a loose standardization of port locations on cars. Really not much to be concerned about. ICE vehicles don't all have their fuel ports in the same location and we've lived with that just fine.

Plus, on the charger manufuacturing side, Tesla can build them on a slab at their factory, to be shipped and install on-site. Pretty sure they can implement design changes very quickly. And this is V3, not the latest.

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[VSG]

Unless you want to take up 2 spaces to charge.

Rivians take up just 1 (and only 1) space. Just like every other car. If you have only 1 type of vehicle at the supercharger, then all spaces can be used - regardless of whether those are Teslas, Rivians, Fords, etc.

When Tesla opens up its superchargers to other types of vehicles, then utilization of available chargers is Tesla's problem to solve - it is not a problem caused by Rivian or any other vehicle. It's simply Tesla having to deal with the same diversity of vehicles that EA, EVGo, ChargePoint, etc. have had to deal with since day one. Everyone blames those other companies for bad design of charging locations, well, the same applies to Tesla. If superchargers can't accommodate all types of vehicles, then superchargers are designed poorly.

 

[DuoRivians]

I look forward to taking multiple stalls at Superchargers and pissing off Tesla drivers

 

[RivAW]

There's no such thing as the "correct" stall, now that we're all equals at the superchargers. Tesla owners will just have to suck it up and deal with the same parking/orientation issues that CCS users have had to deal with for years. And yes, it will hurt supercharger availability numbers and will hurt users' opinions of the convenience of the superchargers, just as this issue has hurt EA and others for years.

It’s more the unreliability, downtime and sometimes the locations, oh and the occasional EV fire that have hurt third party CCS fast chargers more than charging port locations ?

 

[VSG]

Yes, there are lots of factors. Most of which Tesla hasn't had to deal with yet because Tesla controls both ends of the charging. But those factors are also related - having longer, thicker, liquid cooled cables at EA stations means that they are more prone to derating or outright failure. And having to charge more than 1 port location means that the EA cables get stretched to the extreme to try to reach - increasing the failure rate. Once Tesla starts doing the same thing, it will have to deal with the same challenges.

 

[Scoiatael]

All the super charger sites I would use have 30+ stalls. So taking up the wrong spot wouldn't really have much of an impact for me.

 

[emoore]

Rivians take up just 1 (and only 1) space. Just like every other car. If you have only 1 type of vehicle at the supercharger, then all spaces can be used - regardless of whether those are Teslas, Rivians, Fords, etc.

When Tesla opens up its superchargers to other types of vehicles, then utilization of available chargers is Tesla's problem to solve - it is not a problem caused by Rivian or any other vehicle. It's simply Tesla having to deal with the same diversity of vehicles that EA, EVGo, ChargePoint, etc. have had to deal with since day one. Everyone blames those other companies for bad design of charging locations, well, the same applies to Tesla. If superchargers can't accommodate all types of vehicles, then superchargers are designed poorly.

Technically true but wait until the fights over Tesla charging spots. No one will care that it's Tesla's problem to solve.

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

If anyone is concerned about pissing off Tesla owners... print and place a card on your window: "sorry, I am new at this".

 

[VSG]

If I have the blessing of the patron saint of EV charging to use his charging network, the Tesla faithful should just genuflect and find another spot.

 

[SANZC02]

It’s more the unreliability, downtime and sometimes the locations, oh and the occasional EV fire that have hurt third party CCS fast chargers more than charging port locations ?

Poo happens to Tesla as well.

 

[dleepnw]

Rivians take up just 1 (and only 1) space. Just like every other car. If you have only 1 type of vehicle at the supercharger, then all spaces can be used - regardless of whether those are Teslas, Rivians, Fords, etc.

When Tesla opens up its superchargers to other types of vehicles, then utilization of available chargers is Tesla's problem to solve - it is not a problem caused by Rivian or any other vehicle. It's simply Tesla having to deal with the same diversity of vehicles that EA, EVGo, ChargePoint, etc. have had to deal with since day one. Everyone blames those other companies for bad design of charging locations, well, the same applies to Tesla. If superchargers can't accommodate all types of vehicles, then superchargers are designed poorly.

no thats not exactly right. Tesla SC stations, at least up to v4 were designed to accommodate only Teslas which all have the charge port in the exact same spot. which is why they made their cables very short as they had no need to design for any other EV. its not designed poorly, its designed exactly as needed.

3rd party chargers had to accommodate for all sorts of EVs which is why their cables are extra long.

so unless Tesla retrofits their existing SC with longer cables, its going to be an issue because even though a Rivian (or any other non-Tesla) takes up one spot, it will be blocking another spot because of the location of its charge port. and vice versa, depending on the spot, even if its open, you may not be able to charge your Rivian because you need to be in an adjacent spot for the cord to reach.

 

[SASSquatch]

Every OE so far has announced a 'spring 2024' target for the adapter + charging capability. IMO Tesla must be planning something to make their (busier) stations more accessible and don't want other vehicles using the stations until they make some sort of modification.

Tesla is planning "something?" Like what? FSD? Cyber Truck?

They would have to literally replace the cables on every single super charger station across the country. That or force you to buy a cable extender that won't be cheap.

 

[SASSquatch]

Can't wait to see the bitching and moaning when Tesla Super Chargers all of a sudden start to break down like CCS chargers because when you have to service multiple brands of cars, and those cars are now using clumsy adapters, that charging stations will break down much faster than when you have a plug-and-play walled garden.

OR even better, when non-Teslas get terrible charging speeds @ double the cost.

 

[RWerksman]

My guess is that Tesla is designing the adapter and will be selling it to the various companies that have signed onto use their system. It's likely going to be a bit larger and more unwieldy than expected, and probably rather costly to purchase. There may even be agreement regarding charging location that will start to take shape in 2025.

I'd also wager that there will be just enough friction in charging a non-Tesla vehicle to make the Tesla charging experience objectively superior - even on the same network.

I hope I'm wrong.

 

[DuoRivians]

Can't wait to see the bitching and moaning when Tesla Super Chargers all of a sudden start to break down like CCS chargers because when you have to service multiple brands of cars, and those cars are now using clumsy adapters, that charging stations will break down much faster than when you have a plug-and-play walled garden.

OR even better, when non-Teslas get terrible charging speeds @ double the cost.

I’m planning on taking 3 spots, and saying: “oh I didn’t know!” ?

Those supercharger lanes are tiny so easy to step over the line.

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