I’ve always said: what matters most to me is the advancement in EV tech. I’ve been a fan of Rivian initially, because I thought they had promise. Now, it just seems like they’re playing for the number #2-3 spot in EVs in the US (only)
I already have an R1T and R1S. Unless Rivian adopts 800V at...
Ignoring that this is just a simulation, so the data are all hypothetical, I would expect the R2 would do much better for a car that debuts 7 years after the Model Y. And yet, it’s essentially the same and the R2 costs more.
Rivian service really upset me when they were adamant on charging me $800+ to change my 12V, even after I pointed out that others were routinely getting the same exact service for $500.
I’ve had over 15 service visits for my 2023 R1T to fix things that should have been working to begin with...
RJ says a “few thousand in cost” in this clip (45:17 timestamp). So perhaps $2-3K.
He also says (46:00 timestamp): at same price point, would people rather have 330 miles of range [with 400V], or 290 miles of range with faster [800V] charging, Rivian decided on the former.
On this last...
I’m trying to be convinced. I’m saying you’re misrepresenting what Peter said in the video you shared. Watch timestamp 19:33 and beyond.
(And separately, from our charging experience with Rivians, we know thermals must matter at the battery pack level. Rivian derates the charging speed all the...
IMO:
Regardless of the cost to make it 800V, without it, the R2 is simply not competitive enough in any market outside of the US, which is really the EV-curious + upper middle class market now, at its $50K+ price point.
Internationally, at Rivian’s price point, nearly all cars have 800V. China...
Strongly disagree. I don’t think Peter is saying it’s negligible at the battery *pack* level at all.
He says while the *cell* isn’t seeing a difference, he emphasizes that the battery *pack* system does. The pack contains the hardware to connect all the cells together, etc.
(The cybertruck is...
I dunno. Generally, the heat/power loss is:
P_loss = Resistance * Current^2
Which isn’t just limited to the wires and circuitry. It can affect the battery pack (as a whole—cells + inverter, wiring, etc) too. My searches online seem to generally suggest 800V battery packs (as a whole) run...
With the battery tech that’s conventional now, cooling becomes a significant hurdle at 50% SoC and high amps. Which is why 800V is better.
Of course, if we’re talking about BYD Blade tech that can do 1000V and 1000amps to near 100% SoC, that’s a totally different ballgame. I have no idea how...
I strongly disagree that 800V isn’t needed. If Rivian is to succeed with the R2, it has to think beyond the US market, especially at its price point. China, Europe, and even Canada are getting 800V+ charging ecosystems. And the R2 simply can’t compete with 400V there.
Selling just to US market...
For the 22” wheels, I personally like the Nokian One HT tires. They perform great and they’re unbeatable in price. Walmart was (may even now) running a special for $800 for a full set
Saw this on Reddit, and felt bad for a fellow Rivian driver who was falsely accused of a crime in Colorado, because of a Flock video clip.
https://www.reddit.com/r/FlockSurveillance/s/gZl69n5cQJ
No one internationally is going to buy a Rivian for $50K+. Certainly with only 400V.
Tesla’s main advantage overseas is that it has a factory in China, where it can take advantage of China’s cost structure. They even only sell cars in Canada that are imported from China now, not from the US
I just don’t see it. Claire can say what she believes, but it’s ultimately the market that decides and if Rivian can’t compete internationally, I think Rivian’s market cap is significantly limited.