I realize this was posted Monday but Tesla actually began construction on the Austin site the preceding weekend.Tesla has yet to decide on a location and purchase land for the Cybertruck factory, let alone break ground, order assembly line equipment, etc. The chances of them entering production before Rivian are near zero.
1. I agree, more updates would be nice.It is going to be hard to quote 15 posts so I will pick the ones I could remember
1- Updates from the CEO/Owner : Yes, I really would like to see more updates on timelines, sometimes even if they say " We do not know yet" it's better than nothing. The online configuration should be here, and it was pushed, but it would be nice to hear about it more. Overall, not a factor in whether I buy the R1S or not. I would rate my concern as " Low "
2- Battery size upgrade: Here is the thing, if you buy a 320BMW, do you go back and ask them to drop a 325 engine in it? Yes, I understand there is a more modular approach within BEVs, but the affordable range upgrades with Tesla actually came due to a software lock, not battery switch. Battery switches came at a very high cost, as a matter of fact my first model S was totaled because the price to replace the damaged battery was 22K which pushed the repair bill to well over the 50% value. That is not to say there isn't a way for Rivian to do this, but the cost is standard all across the board. This is also a selective issue, I had a S60 and not have S90, the 30kw made a difference to me ONCE, and that was my wife forgot to plug in the car 3 days in a row so shame on me. Again, does not factor in my decision, i would rate my concern here as " None"
3- Factory Readiness : If we want to compare apples to apples, Rivian is ahead of Tesla. Tesla produced, and still producing, very suspect quality vehicles. Why? New manufacturer. They are also expanding the plan in Normal IL. One thing we are not clear on is whether the expansion is needed for 2021 deliveries or just for future deliveries. This for me could rank also as "Low"
4- Service: That is where I am really worried, where are the service centers? If we are really 6-9 months away from the first deliveries, you would think there would be at least some news about service centers or how the services will be provided. Tesla tried their service plan, and it is horrendous, the worst I have ever experienced so I hope they have a better plan, but I know nothing concrete about it. Conery is "Very high"
5-Telsa law suit: The initial though depends on your Bias. I admire RJ for his scientific background as we share some things, I think Musk is a publicity clown who did one thing right, and rode the wave where he is heading towards a storm armed with 3 rubber ducks and bag of cement. I tried to read the legal jargon, could not get anywhere with it. But I can't see RJ involved, which will absolve Rivian,but that does not mean the employees did not do anything wrong on their own. Concern is "None"
Because they don't have room at the Fremont plant to make the Cybertruck and it only makes sense to produce it in North America. Also, because that's where they say they are going to produce it.Why do we think the only place Tesla can assemble Cybertrucks is in a new facility?
They could build facilities in China, Nevada or even Germany to make the Cybertruck, but the majority of sales will be in North America, it is a reasonable inference that they would do it in North America. As far as I know, they don't currently have any car assembly lines running in Nevada.I didn't catch the part where he said they couldn't make any in Nevada nor did I catch the part where he said there is no room to do anything other than make X's etc. at Freemont or in China or New York or any of the other places where they have facilities. But I did catch the part where he spoke at some length about how much they have learned about gettin a production line going. Again, I appeal to common sense.
Much more likely to be thru Cox Automotive Group (Pivet?) than Ford for service. They have both physical locations and mobile service and have handled millions of vehicles for fleet operators.4. The lack of "Rivian" service centers all but convinces me that they will be using Ford. If not, they are way way way behind the curve in this regard. But perhaps they have hundreds of service centers being equipped right now and we just haven't been told. Charging is also still an unknown at this point, isn't it? Have they revealed what charging network they will be using?
I wasn't familiar with them. When I see Cox, I think cable TV. I will check that out.Much more likely to be thru Cox Automotive Group (Pivet?) than Ford for service. They have both physical locations and mobile service and have handled millions of vehicles for fleet operators.
You will be able to use any CCS charger on any network. EA has by far and away the most 350 kW chargers deployed (and installing/expanding rapidly) that will allow a Rivian to charge at their max rate of 300 kW.
By your logic there wouldn't be any semi's out there delivering vehicles and parts between Tesla locations. But there are. Where did they come from?Which is why Tesla announced that they would be building the Cybertruck (and the semi) in Texas at the new factory that they are building.
Common sense says that if you have a huge corporation that builds cars with dozens of facilities all over the US and is planning to start up production of a new line with 700,000 units reserved they aren't going to sit on their hands and wait for completion of a factory that they have just started working on to produce some number of these trucks. They are going to find someplace within their existing resources to start cranking these out in preparation for the construction of the lines where the bulk of production will eventually be done. You may turn out to be totally correct in this but it seems that assuming Tesla will produce no CT prior to completion of the TF goes against common sense.I'm not sure what you mean by common sense.
I will add some real numbers here, right from the EA web site:EA has by far and away the most 350 kW chargers deployed (and installing/expanding rapidly) that will allow a Rivian to charge at their max rate of 300 kW.
Because I think they probably will. They have shown their ability to surprise the "experts" over and over again and I think there is at least a fair chance that they will again.Then why do you keep trying to say they are going to build it somewhere else?
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