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An 800V system can charge at 400V stations, it just take longer (it is converted internally). All the EA sites have 900V on their 350 kW chargers (no other way to get that power), but their 150 kW handles will be 400V (actually up to 500?)
If that is the case, then I don't know why they would keep the 400V system at all.

Unless, they intend to have multiple charge points to increase the speed of charging. If you could turn one 800V battery into two 400V batteries, you could charge them with two separate charging cables and essentially get near the same rate of charge as an 800V station.





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Full Disclosure: I have a reservation for both Rivian and CyberTruck. Up until last year, I was 100% on board with Rivian and thought Tesla was about to go out of business. Then they build a factory in China in a few months, one in Germany, one coming soon in Texas. They buy a battery technology company, create new gigantic fabrication mold equipment, etc.

So now I am 95% CyberTruck and 5 % Rivian and here is why:
1. Rivian is horrible at communication and PR. Please stop with the adventure videos, I don't care about the rock climbing dude taking a truck for a ride in the desert.
2. We have had zero update on production, design, etc. in years
3. Rivian has to buy batteries and do you think they are going to get the best prices and technology over Tesla, Hell NO
4. Tesla is about to release a custom in house designed battery. If they announce it in September, its GAME over for Rivian.
5. I actually think that CyberTruck will come to market first over Rivian and that is REALLY SAD!
 

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Full Disclosure: I have a reservation for both Rivian and CyberTruck. Up until last year, I was 100% on board with Rivian and thought Tesla was about to go out of business. Then they build a factory in China in a few months, one in Germany, one coming soon in Texas. They buy a battery technology company, create new gigantic fabrication mold equipment, etc.

So now I am 95% CyberTruck and 5 % Rivian and here is why:
1. Rivian is horrible at communication and PR. Please stop with the adventure videos, I don't care about the rock climbing dude taking a truck for a ride in the desert.
2. We have had zero update on production, design, etc. in years
3. Rivian has to buy batteries and do you think they are going to get the best prices and technology over Tesla, Hell NO
4. Tesla is about to release a custom in house designed battery. If they announce it in September, its GAME over for Rivian.
5. I actually think that CyberTruck will come to market first over Rivian and that is REALLY SAD!

But, but,.....uh.....have you seen the Cybertruck?
 
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But, but,.....uh.....have you seen the Cybertruck?
I was about to say the same thing. Cybertruck is by far one of the ugliest vehicles I have ever seen. People want it purely to be different.
 

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Also, Tesla has proven they will unlock many more features and improvements over time. We have no idea if Rivian can deliver on that. No one is even thinking about the computer and software on Rivian, who knows how many bugs that will have. Tesla has 10 years on the OS
 

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Good comments, so far we have it's ugly. Let's ignore the other legit concerns with Rivian.
 

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Everything Tesla makes seems rushed to market. I would be fine with some slightly older technology in a more thought out design. Of course, if Rivian doesn't provide for a path to upgrade the batteries, then they lost my sale.
 

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Everything Tesla makes seems rushed to market. I would be fine with some slightly older technology in a more thought out design. Of course, if Rivian doesn't provide for a path to upgrade the batteries, then they lost my sale.
How do you know that Rivian is putting any more QA into their product than TESLA. Also, TESLA now has 10 years of manufacturing chops, Rivian has zero
 

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Good comments, so far we have it's ugly. Let's ignore the other legit concerns with Rivian.
False dichotemy. I have a lot of concerns about Rivian. But if I don't end up buying a Rivian, I sure as hell am not going to buy a Cybertruck.
 

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False dichotemy. I have a lot of concerns about Rivian. But if I don't end up buying a Rivian, I sure as hell am not going to buy a Cybertruck.
Fair enough, I am buying the Truck because of it's EV chops first and foremost
 

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How do you know that Rivian is putting any more QA into their product than TESLA. Also, TESLA now has 10 years of manufacturing chops, Rivian has zero
I'll find out before mine is delivered. But Rivian is playing the slow game, and that usually relates to a better product.

Tesla also have a huge following of fanatics that will buy their product even if they have one of the lowest reliability ratings. They don't have the incentive that Rivian has.
 

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Full Disclosure: I have a reservation for both Rivian and CyberTruck. Up until last year, I was 100% on board with Rivian and thought Tesla was about to go out of business. Then they build a factory in China in a few months, one in Germany, one coming soon in Texas. They buy a battery technology company, create new gigantic fabrication mold equipment, etc.

So now I am 95% CyberTruck and 5 % Rivian and here is why:
1. Rivian is horrible at communication and PR. Please stop with the adventure videos, I don't care about the rock climbing dude taking a truck for a ride in the desert.
2. We have had zero update on production, design, etc. in years
3. Rivian has to buy batteries and do you think they are going to get the best prices and technology over Tesla, Hell NO
4. Tesla is about to release a custom in house designed battery. If they announce it in September, its GAME over for Rivian.
5. I actually think that CyberTruck will come to market first over Rivian and that is REALLY SAD!
1. What information have you received from Tesla regarding the Cybertruck, since you reserved it?
2. We have received some updates on production. We have gone from late 2020 to 2021. Also, you may have noticed that there is a global pandemic which makes estimating the future very difficult. I don't blame them for not having a firm date, since they could be shut down by the pandemic in the future.
3. I hate to tell you that Tesla has to buy batteries too. They buy them from Panasonic, LG Chem and Catl. It remains to be seen what kind of prices they will get on batteries. Tesla is likely to have an advantage on price, due to their larger scale, but I doubt their will be much difference in the technology. The battery manufactures all make pretty good batteries.
4. Tesla is speculated to have a new battery design. They haven't announced anything, and until they start producing it, it is speculation.
5. I seriously doubt the Cybertruck will beat Rivian to market. They haven't completed the purchase of the land on which they going to build the factory which will have equipment installed to produce the vehicle. It is highly unlikely that the Cybertruck will hit the market in 2021. The Cybertruck is a completely new design, using new materials and it will take extra time for production to start.
 

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