I just read where RJ was critiquing people who purchase gasoline vehicles.

[Dark-Fx]

I've owned my R1 less than a week and I'm already going around talking down to those around me that own ICE cars. My wife owns one. The sofa isn't that bad to sleep on.

Yeah but is your sofa vegan?

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[opnwide]

“Like, imagine buying *”a Chevy Suburban*” in 2030. Like, what are you going to do with that, right?”

I swear my physician just had the same conversation with me today but he substituted the asterisked section with “viagra”.

 

[iansriv]

Yeah but is your sofa vegan?

Yes, AND it's made in the U S of A! I plan ahead mate.

 

[BigSkies]

I mean he’s not wrong. Your big interstate gas station / travel centers still have a good business model for many decades.

But the gas stations in the middle of urban and suburban neighborhoods are going to start disappearing. Probably around the middle of next decade if my guess is correct. 80-90% of charging happens at home, so fewer public chargers are needed to begin with. And it’s well known that gas stations don’t really make money on gas, they make money on all the other crap they sell. A simple 10-20% drop in foot traffic would probably break their business model.

Not to mention that chargers are a better fit for things like coffee shops or restaurants than gas stations.

The only way out for gas station owners would be to raise prices to actually make money on gas. And that would end up accelerating the shift from gasoline.

I wouldn’t be surprised if some parts of the country start becoming challenging to get gas in by 2040. It’s still a long ways away, but it’s entirely believable.

 

[SASSquatch]

While RJ is technically right, he is being a bit insensitive to the fact that EVs are simply not at the level of affordability of ICE vehicles and a large percentage of the population simply can't afford to purchase an EV, the necessary hardware to install to charge it, and are deeply skeptical (as they should be) of the charging infrastructure not named Tesla.

I actually disagree with RJ on one point. I think it is nonsensical to be purchasing a purely ICE vehicle especially when hybrid options are available and affordable relative to the high cost of an EV.

I think hybrids and PHEV vehicles are an excellent option to consider if you can't afford an EV or have concerns about range anxiety and infrastructure.

 

[Zoidz]

This is uncalled for and bad form for a CEO. Don’t get personal. Just focus on the ideas, principles and facts of the point you want to make. If you make the argument, the data will prove the point. Don’t attack people, demonstrate the superiority of your position. I think he should apologize.

I read this article a week or so ago. It's a philosophical and musing discussion. IMO no apology is needed because there was nothing personal about it, no one was attacked or ridiculed. You seem a bit overly sensitive.

 

[DuoRivians]

While RJ is technically right, he is being a bit insensitive to the fact that EVs are simply not at the level of affordability of ICE vehicles and a large percentage of the population simply can't afford to purchase an EV, the necessary hardware to install to charge it, and are deeply skeptical (as they should be) of the charging infrastructure not named Tesla.

I actually disagree with RJ on one point. I think it is nonsensical to be purchasing a purely ICE vehicle especially when hybrid options are available and affordable relative to the high cost of an EV.

I think hybrids and PHEV vehicles are an excellent option to consider if you can't afford an EV or have concerns about range anxiety and infrastructure.

The world in 2030 should hopefully be more EV accessible

 

[Ripped]

Oh I bought an Ev in 2022

And oh I ordered an EV from Rivian in 2020....
haven't got it quite yet ;-)

 

[jimmyb2]

While RJ is technically right, he is being a bit insensitive to the fact that EVs are simply not at the level of affordability of ICE vehicles and a large percentage of the population simply can't afford to purchase an EV, the necessary hardware to install to charge it, and are deeply skeptical (as they should be) of the charging infrastructure not named Tesla.

In my opinion, he did address the affordability of EVs in a quite sensitive manner and at length.

EV charging infrastructure will get there especially with the federal $ being offered specifically for this. Additionally, most charging will be done at home; so the public EV charging infrastructure will not have to be as massive as that for fossil fuels.

I actually disagree with RJ on one point. I think it is nonsensical to be purchasing a purely ICE vehicle

It’s possible I missed it, but I didn’t see where he said it was sensible to purchase a purely ICE vehicle. Did he?

 

[Donald Stanfield]

I think it's non sensical to buy an ICE vehicle if you can afford an EV. That's a big if for a lot of people I'm well aware, and for those who can't it's understandable. But EVs are simply a better technology. It's more convenient and they perform and drive significantly better than ICE vehicles. After having one for a while I really dislike when I have to drive something without one pedal and is as quiet as my Rivian.

 

[A Land Rover Forever]

Times are changing! Say what you like about the dinosaurs.

 

[SANZC02]

I think the bigger issue today even beyond the price is how many people live in condos and apartments with no access to home charging. Makes it much harder and more expensive to power up.

 

[MountainBikeDude]

This is uncalled for and bad form for a CEO. Don’t get personal. Just focus on the ideas, principles and facts of the point you want to make. If you make the argument, the data will prove the point. Don’t attack people, demonstrate the superiority of your position. I think he should apologize.

How dare he compare the infrastructure of the early 1900's and the inconvenience of owning a gas vehicle to today's EV infrastructure. "I'm building a barn, cause my horse can eat grass anywhere along the way, but where can you get gas for your gasoline vehicle, there aren't enough gas stations. Imma build a barn instead of a garage"

 

[srnyoung]

Dude started a brand of only EVs. You want him to say EVs are vaporware and people shouldn’t make the switch?
Good for him for drinking the cool aid he makes.

 

[SASSquatch]

In my opinion, he did address the affordability of EVs in a quite sensitive manner and at length.

EV charging infrastructure will get there especially with the federal $ being offered specifically for this. Additionally, most charging will be done at home; so the public EV charging infrastructure will not have to be as massive as that for fossil fuels.




It’s possible I missed it, but I didn’t see where he said it was sensible to purchase a purely ICE vehicle. Did he?

Not sure how he addressed the affordability of EVs. Provide a quote.

Nobody is arguing infrastructure won’t get better over time but it isn’t there now either at home or on highways and that is what the public hesitancy is about.

A large percentage of people live in mult-family homes or apartments where there is street parking or otherwise no easy options for adding infrastructure.

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