Top 5 Reasons Switching to a Tesla Dominated NACS Standard is a Colossal Mistake for the Consumer

[av8or]

All of the other charging companies are free to build out reliable CCS charging stations by the millions and let the market decide. The problem is so far they have kinda failed to do this and Tesla hasn’t, so auto manufacturers are choosing what will give their customers the best experience. Should the auto manufacturers choose differently? Should the government force these manufacturers to choose the “not the best” solution to make the minority happier? To those that think Elon is the boogieman and is going to gain control of all the electrons in the world…….please just stop and take a breath, it’s gonna be all right.

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[ohseedee]

The problem with what you say is that it assumes the other networks supporting NACS will somehow make them more reliable. It seems to me that they are in this “predicament” not because one technology is necessarily better than the other but because “everyone else” has simply done the bare minimum to collect govt subsidies and their networks and customer service are lacking (although I’ve admittedly recently had a few good experiences at both EVGO and EA). The demand is for a reliable charger network…this is free market at work

I wasn’t implying that or making that assumption (and don‘t actually think that will be the case). My point was only that the they will exist and if people really hate Tesla so much they can charge on non-Tesla NACS or non-Tesla CCS regardless of quality and quantity. In my opinion the technology doesn’t really matter that much. A bad network on CCS will be a bad network on NACS. Ideally you get to base your charge decisions on reliability, access, and cost. Now I’m basing it mostly on compatibility. And unfortunately I currently don‘t have access to the most reliable and available network that exists (Tesla SC) because of capability. It will be a good thing when all EVs are compatible with all networks in the US.

 

[Sully151]

Give me an adapter that allows me to charge wherever I want including SC’s and call it a day.

Then, when I am on the road and I see an EA, a RAN, and a SC station within a few miles of each other, I can decide which to go to based on ease of use, price, and how crowded it is or isn’t.

Otherwise, it would be like McDonalds saying I can’t eat their cheeseburgers because I don’t have the right utensils.

 

[2025R1S]

You keep mentioning like it’s something we should be concerned about.

Can you point me to all of these 1000v CCS chargers you keep referencing? Do these even exist?

Top 5 Reasons Switching to a Tesla Dominated NACS Standard is a Colossal Mistake for the Consumer

1.) It will limit innovation: Tesla's system, by design, is limited to 500v. CCS can support 1000v architecture. All of these companies developing 800v architecture for their next generation models, including Rivian, would effectively be forced to go back to 400 or 500v. That means that you will have a significantly slower charging speed vs. a comparable CCS system.

*Edit 1: As others have pointed out, the NACS system has a theoretical capability to achieve 1000v but there are no existing working Superchargers that have this capability and Elon Musk has repeatedly stated Tesla has no plans to support an 800v architecture. The issue is, Elon Musk and Tesla would have undue influence in deciding future architecture if they are allowed to immediately corner the NACS charging market, which they would, if everyone just switches to

 

[Autolycus]

I think this is some people in the suppression department intentionally blocking more because it Elon running it.

Elon’s been defending all of it, pretty strongly. So he knows it’s happening. If he weren’t happy with it, wouldn’t he put a stop to it?

 

[DuoRivians]

Give me an adapter that allows me to charge wherever I want including SC’s and call it a day.

Then, when I am on the road and I see an EA, a RAN, and a SC station within a few miles of each other, I can decide which to go to based on ease of use, price, and how crowded it is or isn’t.

Otherwise, it would be like McDonalds saying I can’t eat their cheeseburgers because I don’t have the right utensils.

There isn’t a single person that would disagree with this proposal.

 

[Dark-Fx]

You keep mentioning like it’s something we should be concerned about.

Can you point me to all of these 1000v CCS chargers you keep referencing? Do these even exist?

A significant portion of new CCS installs works up to the top of the spec at least, 920V. All of the EA/EVGo stations with 350kW charging support it. All of the chargepoint 62.5/125kW stations support it.

Tesla has zero of them in the US.

 

[2025R1S]

Every EVgo/EA 350kW CCS1 DCFC support 920v+ output? Is this a recent change?

And then to confirm; every 62.5kW/125kW ChargePoint station outputs 920v+? Side question; does it matter that it outputs 920v if it’s only pushing 62kW or 125kW? Isn’t the point of high voltage architecture the ability to pull 400-500kW like they do in China? Last I checked, USA doesn’t have anything faster than a 350kW station for public use.

The way Lucid, Hyundai, Porsche and Kia owners describe the high voltage experience is interesting. It’s technically faster, but often not taken advantage of. It’s “too bleeding edge”. And then because they switch to using a DC to DC booster - they charge slower than 400v cars on the same chargers. So it’s like high voltage cars are penalized at most chargers?

A significant portion of new CCS installs works up to the top of the spec at least, 920V. All of the EA/EVGo stations with 350kW charging support it. All of the chargepoint 62.5/125kW stations support it.

Tesla has zero of them in the US.

 

[s4wrxttcs]

Two cables are there for redundancy in case of breakage. If they have different connectors, that redundancy is gone and I suspect station reliability will go down. You could solve this by having everyone carry an adapter, but I'm not sure everyone will.

I thought they were there two allow for flexibility in connecting.

In any case single port Tesla chargers are known for being exceptionally reliable so I'm not concerned about having a single port.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

FYI: Twitter has blocked content at the request of governments at a higher rate since Elon took over. He is a "free speech absolutist" who is all to happy to do whatever a truly authoritarian government asks, as long as it's in his personal financial interest to do so.

That's not great if it's true. Governments, at least the USA government, doesn't have the right to censor the American public. I'm not naive enough to think they don't but I do believe it's important to push against it. Do you have any sources I could read on this? Government censorship is a big problem.

 

[NineElectrics]

I thought they were there two allow for flexibility in connecting.

In any case single port Tesla chargers are known for being exceptionally reliable so I'm not concerned about having a single port.

Tesla superchargers seem well maintained; I'm not worried about that. Non-Tesla networks are pretty bad and having more than one connector (that half of their customers can't use) can't help. I don't think they're going to abandon their existing users and switch all the connectors to NACS, or pay to give them all adapters. That's why I'd rather see non-Tesla networks stay with CCS exclusively. If Rivian wanted to include two charging ports in my next car, I wouldn't be opposed to giving up #donglelife.

 

[MidnightRivian]

Rivian should just adopt what the other brands did. NACS plugs in 2025 for both R1 and R2. Adapters for all CCS customers today.

If they really want in 2025 they can offer CCS as standard and charge $999 for NACS.

 

[docwhiz]

I'm charging my Tesla now at RAN station in Yosemite. Free thanks to Rivian.
Lots of Teslas here but no Rivians. Perhaps they couldn't make it due to lack of charging enroute. Lots of SC on the way here.

 

[SteveInBend]

I'm charging my Tesla now at RAN station in Yosemite. Free thanks to Rivian.
Lots of Teslas here but no Rivians. Perhaps they couldn't make it due to lack of charging enroute. Lots of SC on the way here.

Point of clarification: You are charging at a Rivian Waypoint Charger, not a RAN charger.

 

[SASSquatch]

You keep mentioning like it’s something we should be concerned about.

Can you point me to all of these 1000v CCS chargers you keep referencing? Do these even exist?

That is the maximum capacity and there is no easy way to filter for them but 800v chargers are out there - reviewers have used them for vehicles that have that capacity like the Porsche Tycan.

Here is one company: https://www.noodoe.com/dc-chargers/dc-exceed

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