Which Manufacture will put 10K Pick-ups in Customers hand First?

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SanzC02,
Well stated. I've been very close to purchasing a model S and/or 3 in the past and would probably have one of each if it were not precisely for items 2,3, and 4 above. Price plays a factor with the S but I love the style, tech. and performance so much I would have went for it.
I badly want out of my ICE cars they are all turds.
I am, for some reason trusting Rivian will have most of the style, tech performance without most of the poor quality, customer service as Tesla.





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SanzC02,
Well stated. I've been very close to purchasing a model S and/or 3 in the past and would probably have one of each if it were not precisely for items 2,3, and 4 above. Price plays a factor with the S but I love the style, tech. and performance so much I would have went for it.
I badly want out of my ICE cars they are all turds.
I am, for some reason trusting Rivian will have most of the style, tech performance without most of the poor quality, customer service as Tesla.

Agree , I am waiting for the Rivian because of styling, quality and the 4 independent motors .

Still I would not underestimate the huge potential Tesla has to change how vehicles are made and driven for ever. It's not all pipe dreams either. Having a vehicle that can be produced at much lower cost (new aluminum alloy and stainless steel martials + giga pressing panels Tesla is supposedly using/doing now), can eventual drive itself and comes with cheaper car insurance from the manufacture. Those are fundamental things that no one has yet apparently or will not have any time soon. A strong paint free truck that costs 40k-70k, drives itself , has good range are big issues that would eclipse smaller issues for many people (heated seats, flawless interior or so). I'm all for the Rivian personally , but I am aware that it is 65k minimum, and probably wont drive itself anytime soon (unless you just license T software).
 

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Really?
If you had a battery with 2,000 miles of range you would want more?
I think the point is that you cannot get 2,000. You cannot get 400 from Rivian until next year. You cannot get 500 from Tesla until next year (if it happens). What you CAN get is more like real world 250, which is simply not enough.

But personally, I will be satisfied with my 300+ LE.
 

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A few thoughts on the range debate:
  • Range is based on amount of energy stored (battery size, energy density) and efficiency (motors, electronic drive units, friction coefficient...) so it's not as simple as big battery is king.
  • That being said larger batter has trade-offs (weight, efficiency, cost...)
  • Charging speed and access to fast charging is easily as important as range. If one could add 200 miles of range in 5 minutes with chargers located within 100 miles consistently it would seem 300 mile range would be plenty.
... And back to the thread topic; My guess is Rivian has 10K BEV trucks/ suv on the road nearly a year prior to the next closest competitor even without counting Amazon vans, I'm counting Model X as a crossover not a Sport Utility Vehicle.
 

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Apologies if this has already been posted, but I just saw a video with Wall Street Journal's take on current state of affairs:
My guess is that of the potential future EV giants featured, Fisker is first to drop out.
 

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The main page for the R1T on the Rivian website has had those for some time....
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Haha good catch, I believe the above article showed the same truck from a different angle. I thought I had reasonable attention to detail but many on this forum have amazing ability to catch very subtle variations in design. Another reason I love monitoring this forum.
 

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Haha good catch, I believe the above article showed the same truck from a different angle. I thought I had reasonable attention to detail but many on this forum have amazing ability to catch very subtle variations in design. Another reason I love monitoring this forum.
The main reason I noticed is because I was at the Seattle event when that specific truck (including the new RJ Blue and the black R1S wheels) debuted. It is also what I have configured for myself but, truth be told, I would MUCH prefer a dark version of the current R1T wheels.
 

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The main reason I noticed is because I was at the Seattle event when that specific truck (including the new RJ Blue and the black R1S wheels) debuted. It is also what I have configured for myself but, truth be told, I would MUCH prefer a dark version of the current R1T wheels.
I was planning on attending the NY event then Covid... So I haven't seen one in person yet.
 

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