R2 Range Estimates

[SnowFlyer]

My R2 Range Estimates

TLDR: 218 to 311 mi depending on configuration.

Standard Battery, Dual Motor:
218 mi

Standard Bat, Single Motor:
245 mi

Large Bat, Dual Motor:
276 mi

Large Bat, Single Motor:
311 mi

Estimates are Based on the following data from A Better Route Planner. Since ABRP is Owned By Rivian I expect these numbers to be very close:

Available Battery Capacity (from ABRP):
Standard: 75 kWh.
Large: 95 kWh

Efficiency at 65 mph (from ABRP):
Single Motor Efficiency: 3.27 miles/kWh
Dual Motor Motor Efficiency: 2.91 mi/kWh.

Considering that my Gen 1 Large Battery Quad R1S typically makes about the EPA range at 65 mph I think my estimates should be close.

I do wish these ranges were a bit longer (10% - 20% more), however I suspect most people will be happy daily driving any configuration and road tripping the large battery versions assuming charging speeds are decent (20-80% in 15 ish minutes).

I'm curious what other members think about the accuracy of these estimates. Also how fast do you expect the large to charge (20-80%)?

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[VandalSibs]

There's an entire other thread on this very subject that you could look into. Also, the battery capacity numbers from ABRP are complete guesses on their part. They have no more knowledge on that front that your average member of the public.

 

[carsly]

There's an entire other thread on this very subject that you could look into. Also, the battery capacity numbers from ABRP are complete guesses on their part. They have no more knowledge on that front that your average member of the public.

ABRP is Rivian

https://rivian.com/newsroom/article/rivian-acquires-a-better-routeplanner

 

[VandalSibs]

ABRP is Rivian

https://rivian.com/newsroom/article/rivian-acquires-a-better-routeplanner

You are technically correct, but the ABRP team works independently of Rivan itself. They have stated this in the past. From the other thread talking about the potential pack sizes in R2:

https://www.rivianforums.com/forum/...ft-is-allegedly-february-10.55741/post-946524

 

[blipit]

95kwh is likely very close to reality.

Based on cell specs, below was an estimate of 94kwh.

https://www.batterydesign.net/rivian-r2-pack-2025-update/

 

[DuoRivian]

These ranges are incorrect because EPA is not based on 65mph. No-one just does highway driving all the time.

 

[mkg3]

My R2 Range Estimates

TLDR: 218 to 311 mi depending on configuration.

Standard Battery, Dual Motor:
218 mi

Standard Bat, Single Motor:
245 mi

Large Bat, Dual Motor:
276 mi

Large Bat, Single Motor:
311 mi

These numbers would be fine in 2022, not in 2026. If R2 only delivered these ranges, it would be very inadequate in the segment it will compete in.

 

[MClayton]

These numbers would be fine in 2022, not in 2026. If R2 only delivered these ranges, it would be very inadequate in the segment it will compete in.

Agreed. With those numbers we would buy something else for sure.

 

[carsly]

You are technically correct, but the ABRP team works independently of Rivan itself. They have stated this in the past. From the other thread talking about the potential pack sizes in R2:

https://www.rivianforums.com/forum/...ft-is-allegedly-february-10.55741/post-946524

As someone who's spent decades doing M&A work, "independently" is something they may want people on the outside to think about as a marketing point. But in reality, no one acquires something to leave it alone entirely - makes for a sub-optimal investment case as all you end up doing is adding expense and overhead. That never maths, especially not for a public company.

Maybe ABRP left in some placeholders for pack sizes, but they didn't accidentally publish that a week or two before the embargo came off. It's the same company, someone in Rivian corporate knew about it and greenlit it.

The only way ABRP operates independently (no quotes) is if a friendly neighborhood PE firm does a carve out. But even then it's likely Rivian would continue to hold some equity and a board seat until it's sold again in a few years to another PE firm at which time Rivian would likely have an opportunity to liquidate most, or all, of its outstanding interest.

ABRP is in no way independent today. It's Rivian. Plain and simple. Rivian employees with Rivian benefits and Rivian stock options.

PS if you believe ABRP is independent, then the marketing ploy worked on you. Nothing wrong with that, but know it's marketing fluff and nothing else.

 

[Hereforthesnacks]

Meh, I’ll believe the final numbers when I see them. Obviously, the R2 would be non-competitive with these ranges. Which is why I have to assume they are incorrect. 218 and 245 for a 2 row are from 2018 lol.

 

[SnowFlyer]

These ranges are incorrect because EPA is not based on 65mph. No-one just does highway driving all the time.

In my first post I stated that my Gen 1 R1S Quad "typically makes about the EPA range at 65 mph so I think my estimates should be close."

I hope my estimates are low, because as others have stated the R2's success is likely a make or break moment for Rivian and I believe that it probably needs 10-20% more range to be competitive.

 

[JasonK]

I would expect the range for the larger battery to be in the 310 to 330 miles range if Rivian wants to be considered competitive.

 

[Fmc]

If Rivian cannot deliver 300 miles for $45k what have they been doing for the last 2 years?

 

[VandalSibs]

As someone who's spent decades doing M&A work, "independently" is something they may want people on the outside to think about as a marketing point. But in reality, no one acquires something to leave it alone entirely - makes for a sub-optimal investment case as all you end up doing is adding expense and overhead. That never maths, especially not for a public company.

Maybe ABRP left in some placeholders for pack sizes, but they didn't accidentally publish that a week or two before the embargo came off. It's the same company, someone in Rivian corporate knew about it and greenlit it.

The only way ABRP operates independently (no quotes) is if a friendly neighborhood PE firm does a carve out. But even then it's likely Rivian would continue to hold some equity and a board seat until it's sold again in a few years to another PE firm at which time Rivian would likely have an opportunity to liquidate most, or all, of its outstanding interest.

ABRP is in no way independent today. It's Rivian. Plain and simple. Rivian employees with Rivian benefits and Rivian stock options.

PS if you believe ABRP is independent, then the marketing ploy worked on you. Nothing wrong with that, but know it's marketing fluff and nothing else.

You can be owned by a company, be considered an employee of that company, and still not know what the other parts are doing or be able to information. Happens all the time, in multiple industries. Hell, it happens in places that are the exact same company too!

 

[DuoRivian]

In my first post I stated that my Gen 1 R1S Quad "typically makes about the EPA range at 65 mph so I think my estimates should be close."

I hope my estimates are low, because as others have stated the R2's success is likely a make or break moment for Rivian and I believe that it probably needs 10-20% more range to be competitive.

Very funky math given the R2 is more aerodynamic and weighs less. Just wait until tomorrow instead of pulling numbers out of thin air that are widely wrong.

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