Dont get too happy just yet, Tesla SCs are designed for Teslas.

[Monkey]

Short of the NACS > CCS adapter being 6 feet long, I'm not sure how else they're going to accommodate a Ford Lightning charging in any position. Even if they block 2 spots, the cable won't reach the poorly placed charging port (I can say this because our Mach-E GT has the port in the same location, TERRIBLE design).

It's my #2 complaint about my Lighting. Great truck, but the charge port location is stoopid. From an aesthetic perspective it works and looks good under the badge plate... Functionality wise, it's too far back. They needed to place it right up at the front corner or on the back corner. Many EA and ChargePoint stations I've been to have me pulling as close as I can and still the charge cord strains to reach.

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[Craigins]

unless Tesla retrofits their existing SC with longer cables, its going to be an issue because even though a Rivian (or any other non-Tesla) takes up one spot, it will be blocking another spot because of the location of its charge port. and vice versa, depending on the spot, even if its open, you may not be able to charge your Rivian because you need to be in an adjacent spot for the cord to reach.

I love all these people who seem to have a hard time following logic.

No, the Rivian will take up one spot. If there are 12 stalls and 12 rivians they can all charge. If there are 12 stalls, 10 rivians and 1 tesla, it is the tesla that is "taking up another stall"

Pull your head out of your tesla centric world.

 

[evguy]

Rivians take up just 1 (and only 1) space. Just like every other car. If you have only 1 type of vehicle at the supercharger, then all spaces can be used - regardless of whether those are Teslas, Rivians, Fords, etc.

When Tesla opens up its superchargers to other types of vehicles, then utilization of available chargers is Tesla's problem to solve - it is not a problem caused by Rivian or any other vehicle. It's simply Tesla having to deal with the same diversity of vehicles that EA, EVGo, ChargePoint, etc. have had to deal with since day one. Everyone blames those other companies for bad design of charging locations, well, the same applies to Tesla. If superchargers can't accommodate all types of vehicles, then superchargers are designed poorly.

Yes, it's Tesla's problem to solve, but it's everyone's problem to live with until it's solved. There's going to be anger and chaos at a lot of Superchargers until Tesla fixes the problem of short cables.

 

[VSG]

even though a Rivian (or any other non-Tesla) takes up one spot, it will be blocking another spot because of the location of its charge port

Well I can say the same in reverse:
Even though a Tesla takes up only one spot, it will be blocking another spot for a Rivian because of the location of the Tesla charge port.

 

[HaveBlue]

At least one stall gets lost when CCS car(s) charge at a supercharger. That being the right most stall will get blocked. If everyone was like the Leaf with the port front middle the problem could be alleviated. That poses some ADA issues as driver exit and access to the port doesn't work though. If there are parking spots on the opposite side, theoretically parking on the other side and plugging in could work. It's actually a shame that stations with two cables couldn't offer that to two parking spots on opposite sides. I've pulled into gas stations and parking spaces towing my trailer and blocked stuff. It happens. I'm actually shocked that Telsa has gotten away with not providing ADA SC spots. Most CCS/L2 locations have them. It's going to come up but it's a bit silly since they are no closer to the cable than any other. It's more of a clear space thing.
Tesla SC speaks ISO there's no voodoo communication standard that needs to be implemented at this point. Just auth.

 

[Autolycus]

My guess is that Tesla is designing the adapter and will be selling it to the various companies that have signed onto use their system. It's likely going to be a bit larger and more unwieldy than expected, and probably rather costly to purchase. There may even be agreement regarding charging location that will start to take shape in 2025.

I'd also wager that there will be just enough friction in charging a non-Tesla vehicle to make the Tesla charging experience objectively superior - even on the same network.

I hope I'm wrong.

At least for now Rivian is saying they’ll give adapter to any Rivian with CCS port, so it can’t be too expensive. What limitations will it have though? 150kw? Ideally it’d be 200kw rated, but even if it’s 175-180, that’ll be fine, IMO.

 

[DuoRivians]

At least for now Rivian is saying they’ll give adapter to any Rivian with CCS port, so it can’t be too expensive. What limitations will it have though? 150kw? Ideally it’d be 200kw rated, but even if it’s 175-180, that’ll be fine, IMO.

No reason it can’t do 250kw. Teslas ccs to nacs adapter does this

 

[Dark-Fx]

no thats not exactly right. Tesla SC stations, at least up to v4 were designed to accommodate only Teslas which all have the charge port in the exact same spot.

So Tesla's good faith agreement to allow other companies to use their patents, getting access to their chargers was, is, and continues to be bullshit?

Rivian is probably going to have a similar issue when they open RAN to other vehicles as well. Especially at some of their stations where the cables seem to barely be long enough to hit a Rivian.

 

[No_Name5330]

if you saw the video from MKBHD, he recently tried charging at a Tesla SC station with the magic dock and there's no way to park at the correct stall and have the cable reach his R1T. Tom Moloughney also tried to charge there with the Lightning and he also had to park in the wrong stall and it barely reached.

even though they knew non-Teslas have charge ports in all sorts of locations depending on manufacturer, Tesla didnt make the cables any longer, they just used the existing cable meant for Teslas for the magic dock.

is Tesla going to invest to retrofit their SC stations with longer cables now? we know they need to design some of their SC stations to accommodate the Cybertruck because of its size and towing but again are they going to accommodate non-Tesla trucks? will Rivian change their port location to the passenger side front? will the adapter have to have some length of cable attached? this is going to be an interesting development.

does anyone know if Tesla has announced they will redesign their SC stations to accommodate non-Teslas with a longer cable or some other retrofit?

I’m sure there will extensions that you can buy and it will just be another adapter.

 

[s4wrxttcs]

correct stall

This is where you went wrong.

There is no more "correct" stall when a vendor is selling a product to a consumer. It's up to the vendor to address the issue, and not for the consumer to worry about.

This non-optimal issue is going to be with EV's for awhile.

Cables not long enough to reach
Station design not taking other port positions into consideration
Slow charging vehicles like the new Toyota EV.

 

[SASSquatch]

I’m planning on taking 3 spots, and saying: “oh I didn’t know!” ?

Those supercharger lanes are tiny so easy to step over the line.

I know you are being sarcastic but the reality is, it is going to be fucking chaos at those chargers so you won't even have to try and be a douche - etiquette will collapse.

Violence will ensue.

Just you wait...

 

[RWerksman]

I know you are being sarcastic but the reality is, it is going to be fucking chaos at those chargers so you won't even have to try and be a douche - etiquette will collapse.

Violence will ensue.

Just you wait...

CCS either dies a hero, or lives long enough to see become the villain.

 

[Dark-Fx]

I know you are being sarcastic but the reality is, it is going to be fucking chaos at those chargers so you won't even have to try and be a douche - etiquette will collapse.

Violence will ensue.

Just you wait...

If the adapters really are just dumb adapters, should be relatively easy for the right enterprising individual to modify one to have a length of cable in the middle of it like EVGo did for the Tesla ChaDeMO adapters.

 

[DuoRivians]

I know you are being sarcastic but the reality is, it is going to be fucking chaos at those chargers so you won't even have to try and be a douche - etiquette will collapse.

Violence will ensue.

Just you wait...

I can’t wait to see a hummer EV take four spots and take forever to charge all 200kwh+! ?

 

[graemebshaw]

Well I can say the same in reverse:
Even though a Tesla takes up only one spot, it will be blocking another spot for a Rivian because of the location of the Tesla charge port.

The issue is that ~70% of EVs on the road are Tesla’s. Add to that Polestar’s and Volvo’s that also have the port on the rear left. Plus future Ford and GMs optimized for the Sc network. Therefore, when you pull into a SC location, it is most likely that many stalls will be occupied by vehicles parking to the left of the charger.

You in your Rivian will not be able to charge until two adjacent stalls become empty. If two adjacent stalls are already free, great. But if you have to wait, it could be a long wait since you have to get lucky that two adjacent cars finish consecutively.

For those with a computer science background, this reminds me of the dining philosophers problem…

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