Michelin Defender LTX M/S2 Wear at 4087 miles

[brancky3]

I just did my first (5) tire rotation after installing lightweight 20" wheels (... still ~31 lbs) and 275/60R20 M/S2 tires to replace my 21" stockers. (R1T quad)

Total miles driven: 4087
Average efficiency: 2.27 mi/kWh (I'm very confident this will significantly increase during summer)
Typical driving: ~45-60mph backroads, ~30 minutes to and from work to go ~15 miles. 80% of time spent in sport mode

Position	Outer depth	Middle depth	Inner depth
Spare (unused)	11.5	11.5	11.5
LF	11	11	10.9
RF	11	10.9	11
LR	11	11	11
DR	11	11	11

I'm super impressed by these tires.

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[wicked2112]

Great review. I am at 2200 miles and looking forward to seeing the results from my next rotation. Cheers!

 

[LL75]

I just did my first (5) tire rotation after installing lightweight 20" wheels (... still ~31 lbs) and 275/60R20 M/S2 tires to replace my 21" stockers. (R1T quad)

Total miles driven: 4087
Average efficiency: 2.27 mi/kWh (I'm very confident this will significantly increase during summer)
Typical driving: ~45-60mph backroads, ~30 minutes to and from work to go ~15 miles. 80% of time spent in sport mode

Position	Outer depth	Middle depth	Inner depth
Spare (unused)	11.5	11.5	11.5
LF	11	11	10.9
RF	11	10.9	11
LR	11	11	11
DR	11	11	11

I'm super impressed by these tires.

I just did my first rotation with general grabber 275/60/20 HTS60 at 5k miles. thread depth is at 9/32". Original is 10/32". Average efficiency is almost identical as yours after 5k miles. It was sub 2.0 for the first 500 miles or so. All purpose mode 90% of the time. I almost went with your tires but decided to give the grabber a try and so far so good.

 

[OKRivian]

Wanted to add an alternative point of reference after my experience today.

I now have 7,000 miles on my 275/60R20 M/S2 tires.

Fronts are at 7-8 32nds and rears at 11. No conserve usage, 95% all purpose standard height. 2.0 mi/kWh lifetime over 20k.

Not very impressed with the wear and the front felt downright dangerous today at the current wear level in the rain on the highway. I had to slow down considerably compared to other traffic. This was completely unexpected and I've never experienced this with tires having this much tread remaining.

I wish there was a clear tire winner for these trucks. So far, neither the stock Pirellis or the M/S2 are it for me.

 

[electruck]

Wanted to add an alternative point of reference after my experience today.

I now have 7,000 miles on my 275/60R20 M/S2 tires.

Fronts are at 7-8 32nds and rears at 11. No conserve usage, 95% all purpose standard height. 2.0 mi/kWh lifetime over 20k.

Not very impressed with the wear and the front felt downright dangerous today at the current wear level in the rain on the highway. I had to slow down considerably compared to other traffic. This was completely unexpected and I've never experienced this with tires having this much tread remaining.

I wish there was a clear tire winner for these trucks. So far, neither the stock Pirellis or the M/S2 are it for me.

I would highly recommend you have the alignment checked.

 

[LL75]

Wanted to add an alternative point of reference after my experience today.

I now have 7,000 miles on my 275/60R20 M/S2 tires.

Fronts are at 7-8 32nds and rears at 11. No conserve usage, 95% all purpose standard height. 2.0 mi/kWh lifetime over 20k.

Not very impressed with the wear and the front felt downright dangerous today at the current wear level in the rain on the highway. I had to slow down considerably compared to other traffic. This was completely unexpected and I've never experienced this with tires having this much tread remaining.

I wish there was a clear tire winner for these trucks. So far, neither the stock Pirellis or the M/S2 are it for me.

That doesn't sound right at all. Did your OEM wear pattern the same as this? I'm driving all purpose majority of the time and rotated the tires 3x so far and all even wears. I even ask the discount tire tech if rotation is even necessary. He said it is up to me.

On other note 2.0 mi/kwh with this tires is very low. I'm get 2.3 all purpose with general grabbers

 

[brancky3]

That doesn't sound right at all. Did your OEM wear pattern the same as this? I'm driving all purpose majority of the time and rotated the tires 3x so far and all even wears. I even ask the discount tire tech if rotation is even necessary. He said it is up to me.

On other note 2.0 mi/kwh with this tires is very low. I'm get 2.3 all purpose with general grabbers

I'm continuing to show ~2.4-2.6 mi/kWh on this tire. Sounds like with the uneven wear and poor control in the rain above there's a definite alignment issue.

 

[LL75]

I'm continuing to show ~2.4-2.6 mi/kWh on this tire. Sounds like with the uneven wear and poor control in the rain above there's a definite alignment issue.

That is awesome. I don't think my lifetime of the grabber is at 2.4 or higher unless i'm doing conserve mode. Possible that the defender has a better rolling resistant and the R1t is more aeryodynamic than the r1s.

 

[Koots]

I just did my first (5) tire rotation after installing lightweight 20" wheels (... still ~31 lbs) and 275/60R20 M/S2 tires to replace my 21" stockers. (R1T quad)

Total miles driven: 4087
Average efficiency: 2.27 mi/kWh (I'm very confident this will significantly increase during summer)
Typical driving: ~45-60mph backroads, ~30 minutes to and from work to go ~15 miles. 80% of time spent in sport mode

Position	Outer depth	Middle depth	Inner depth
Spare (unused)	11.5	11.5	11.5
LF	11	11	10.9
RF	11	10.9	11
LR	11	11	11
DR	11	11	11

I'm super impressed by these tires.

which wheels are you running?

 

[OKRivian]

Just to update for the record, my truck's control arms needed to be replaced which was definitely the cause for poor control and possibly the excessive front tire wear as well but only time will tell. Alignment was, of course, included with the control arm replacement. I went ahead and replaced the two worn tires. No significant change in efficiency over several hundred miles so far.

 

[KootenayEV]

I just did my first (5) tire rotation after installing lightweight 20" wheels (... still ~31 lbs) and 275/60R20 M/S2 tires to replace my 21" stockers. (R1T quad)

Total miles driven: 4087
Average efficiency: 2.27 mi/kWh (I'm very confident this will significantly increase during summer)
Typical driving: ~45-60mph backroads, ~30 minutes to and from work to go ~15 miles. 80% of time spent in sport mode

Position	Outer depth	Middle depth	Inner depth
Spare (unused)	11.5	11.5	11.5
LF	11	11	10.9
RF	11	10.9	11
LR	11	11	11
DR	11	11	11

I'm super impressed by these tires.

Do you have an update on wear for your tires? I'm getting these installed next Tuesday and looking forward to higher efficiency and much less noise than the AT's I'm replacing.

 

[brancky3]

Do you have an update on wear for your tires? I'm getting these installed next Tuesday and looking forward to higher efficiency and much less noise than the AT's I'm replacing.

Position	Outer depth	Middle depth	Inner depth
Spare > RR (now RF)	11	11	11
LF > Spare (now RR)	10.5	10.5	11
RF > LR (now LF)	10.5	10	10.5
LR > LF (now Spare)	??	??	??
RR > RF (now LR)	10	10	10

Pretty good wear so far. Currently at 18,385 miles (10,490 on trip meter) so this is about 5k miles after the last post. I had my stock wheels on for about 1k miles, so total on the Michelins is around 9k'ish.

I didn't measure the LF tire when I took it off, and now my bed is too full to get to the spare easily

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