Anyone Still Using RAN?

[ukyank]

I know superchargers work & are prevalent & are cheaper so I choose those for 95% of my public charging needs. I don’t live the hyper political life some here apparently do.

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[LR4toR1S]

Only because they are currently free to me.

 

[bigsky]

With the RAN scam prices in place, it is now only the unbeatable, always reliable,great, lower-priced Tesla network for me and my R1S.

And I shall use nothing but the great Tesla network, except on those very rare places where there may not be a Tesla charger. My R1S might as well become a Tesla in that regard

 

[Jobo95]

I recently completed two, separate road work trips. I've been using RAN almost exclusively because I have incentive to do so for the next couple of months. When that incentive expires, I will still continue to use RAN when the need is there because it works so quickly and accurately. No broken terminals, no communications issues between terminal, vehicle, and phones. I view their pricing comparable to what the market will allow. I charged twice yesterday on EA fast charger in southern Arizona out of necessity. In the small town of Benson, the cost is $0.64/kWh. On RAN I have seen a range between $0.57 -$0.68/kwh depending on location (Wickenburg and Las Vegas). They one thing RAN is truly lacking IMO is membership pricing that is offered by EA & Tesla. I imagine this will come eventually as they continue to commission more RAN locations.

 

[Joules Burn]

On road trips to Arizona, I use the RAN in Flagstaff because the alternative is a flaky EA. I am forced to use the RAN in Kingman because the Tesla SC is next to a popular museum and is usually full with tight parking.
I look for a balance of reliability and price - no matter who is offering the product.

 

[Cascadian]

It depends on the price difference compared to close competitors. If it’s more than 10 cents probably not.

Rivian needs to get prices below 50 cents to make RAN the default choice for me.

 

[IGR]

I Just used one by Joshua Tree Park.
Rivian probably can justify higher cost there because it’s nicely setup, clean bathrooms, complimentary coffee, etc..
For that particular location I would say it’s ok.

However, Rove location is the best in my opinion

 

[Rade]

We went EV thinking we would be saving SO much money over gasoline. Just ain't happening, and I have that... sour note... stuck in my mind.

I tried, I tried, I tried. Had to run errands yesterday that took me within 8 miles of the East Greenwich RI RAN station (rated at 1 - , BTW); figured "Okay.. let's do this!" Got off Rt. 4 and across from the off ramp (1 block from the RAN station) was a new, Neon gas station with a Tesla charging bank in the back. I needed to get the battery up to 85% (expecting to do a lot of driving this weekend) and the session added 71.21kW. RAN... $0.60kW, Tesla... $0.48kW. I went Tesla. $34.18 versus $42.73 (basic math). It's not "premium fuel", it's electricity. The same electricity at Tesla that they have at the RAN station.

Idunno... I bought the Rivian (outright as of March of this year) thinking I would be saving money in the long run... that just has not materializing at all. My auto insurance premium has more than doubled and the R1T is costing me and average of $0.22 per mile (basic math; cost / miles driven), where my old Frontier (traded on the R1T) was running me $0.15, and our 2015 Nissa Rogue is running $.09. LOVE the vehicle, LOVE the R1T, LOVE IT LOVE IT LOVE IT... but over $30 a week in energy... I am starting to rethink how in the Hell did I get here?

For the moment, we are treating is as the "Townie Truck" and my daily driver; various appointments and local errands, no more than 50-60 miles a day when we are out and about, etc. A very expensive "Townie Truck". Unlike an ICE vehicle, I have not seen any uptick in MPGe savings when driving on the highway - the cost per mile actually went up.

Not... wholly impressed with these economics.

 

[KingTodd]

I used one recently due to convince of its location. Much more expensive than Tesla. RAN works great and super fast but the pricing is crazy. I have seen them literally next to Tesla charging stations and be almost 2x the price when you have the Tesla membership.
I want to use RAN but can’t ignore the costs. And political virtue signaling isn’t my thing so I go with Tesla usually.

 

[rodhx]

Maybe Rivian will put a RAN in AL/TN/MS/GA sometime where I might see one. Three years/48k miles into ownership and have never been within an hour of one.

 

[bigsky]

We went EV thinking we would be saving SO much money over gasoline. Just ain't happening, and I have that... sour note... stuck in my mind.

I tried, I tried, I tried. Had to run errands yesterday that took me within 8 miles of the East Greenwich RI RAN station (rated at 1 - , BTW); figured "Okay.. let's do this!" Got off Rt. 4 and across from the off ramp (1 block from the RAN station) was a new, Neon gas station with a Tesla charging bank in the back. I needed to get the battery up to 85% (expecting to do a lot of driving this weekend) and the session added 71.21kW. RAN... $0.60kW, Tesla... $0.48kW. I went Tesla. $34.18 versus $42.73 (basic math). It's not "premium fuel", it's electricity. The same electricity at Tesla that they have at the RAN station.

Idunno... I bought the Rivian (outright as of March of this year) thinking I would be saving money in the long run... that just has not materializing at all. My auto insurance premium has more than doubled and the R1T is costing me and average of $0.22 per mile (basic math; cost / miles driven), where my old Frontier (traded on the R1T) was running me $0.15, and our 2015 Nissa Rogue is running $.09. LOVE the vehicle, LOVE the R1T, LOVE IT LOVE IT LOVE IT... but over $30 a week in energy... I am starting to rethink how in the Hell did I get here?

For the moment, we are treating is as the "Townie Truck" and my daily driver; various appointments and local errands, no more than 50-60 miles a day when we are out and about, etc. A very expensive "Townie Truck". Unlike an ICE vehicle, I have not seen any uptick in MPGe savings when driving on the highway - the cost per mile actually went up.

Not... wholly impressed with these economics.

Well, well, good to see more folks opening their eyes to what I forever have called the greatest state-sanctioned scam, rip-off perpetrated on mankind: cost of juice at DCFCs.
If you did some more math, perhaps you might have figured out that the average cost of 1 kWh of energy for ICE vehicles is $0.088. More math, translation, compared to ICE, you paid 445% more for the same 1 kWh of energy.

How much DCFC charging do you use?
Can you charge at home?
The extortion prices of electricity at DCFCs is the main reason why I rarely take my R1S on long trips unless absolutely necessary. Instead, I most always take my Model S, which has free Tesla supercharger electricity for life.

 

[Spork8]

Unlike an ICE vehicle, I have not seen any uptick in MPGe savings when driving on the highway

That's because the MPGe is lower on the highway and is stated as such on relevant EPA/DOT signage like the one you got when you purchased your R1. EV's are currently more efficient at lower speeds.
Gasoline has known energy output and when converted to miles/kWh that is how you get MPGe.

Also, an overwhelming number of EV owners charge at home where rates are much lower than at a DCFC. Your experiences might vary to mine, but I found that driving long distances on the highway that I am saving a little money compared to my previous ICE but if I had a more economical ICE vehicle then that would definitely change to a loss. Driving around town, to work, and such I'm saving a lot.

 

[bigsky]

That's because the MPGe is lower on the highway and is stated as such on relevant EPA/DOT signage like the one you got when you purchased your R1. EV's are currently more efficient at lower speeds.
Gasoline has known energy output and when converted to miles/kWh that is how you get MPGe.

Also, an overwhelming number of EV owners charge at home where rates are much lower than at a DCFC. Your experiences might vary to mine, but I found that driving long distances on the highway that I am saving a little money compared to my previous ICE but if I had a more economical ICE vehicle then that would definitely change to a loss. Driving around town, to work, and such I'm saving a lot.

It is actually simple math, easy to figure out.
R1S Gen1, 135 kWh battery pack, mine good for 308 miles = 4 gallons of gasoline energy equivalent = 77 MPG equivalent. Very inefficient in terms of EV efficiency.
And when EV users are getting scammed at DCFCs paying 5, 6 times the price of energy than what ICE drivers pay, it ain't rocket science to figure out ICE wins out on long trips.
Take the R1S @ 2 mi./kWh driving 1k miles, 500 kWh at scam price $0.53=$260.
Now take my 4Runner at 19 MPG, drive 1k miles at current gas prices=$200.00.
Unless charging at home only, not worth taking R1S on long trip, except for the caveat that a fool and his money easy part.

 

[captainjp]

We went EV thinking we would be saving SO much money over gasoline. Just ain't happening, and I have that... sour note... stuck in my mind.

I tried, I tried, I tried. Had to run errands yesterday that took me within 8 miles of the East Greenwich RI RAN station (rated at 1 - , BTW); figured "Okay.. let's do this!" Got off Rt. 4 and across from the off ramp (1 block from the RAN station) was a new, Neon gas station with a Tesla charging bank in the back. I needed to get the battery up to 85% (expecting to do a lot of driving this weekend) and the session added 71.21kW. RAN... $0.60kW, Tesla... $0.48kW. I went Tesla. $34.18 versus $42.73 (basic math). It's not "premium fuel", it's electricity. The same electricity at Tesla that they have at the RAN station.

Idunno... I bought the Rivian (outright as of March of this year) thinking I would be saving money in the long run... that just has not materializing at all. My auto insurance premium has more than doubled and the R1T is costing me and average of $0.22 per mile (basic math; cost / miles driven), where my old Frontier (traded on the R1T) was running me $0.15, and our 2015 Nissa Rogue is running $.09. LOVE the vehicle, LOVE the R1T, LOVE IT LOVE IT LOVE IT... but over $30 a week in energy... I am starting to rethink how in the Hell did I get here?

For the moment, we are treating is as the "Townie Truck" and my daily driver; various appointments and local errands, no more than 50-60 miles a day when we are out and about, etc. A very expensive "Townie Truck". Unlike an ICE vehicle, I have not seen any uptick in MPGe savings when driving on the highway - the cost per mile actually went up.

Not... wholly impressed with these economics.

That’s because the cost savings is from charging at home. Especially to those who can take full advantage of TOU plans. Cost savings and convenience are the advantages you get when you can charge at home. It is impractical to rely on public charging if your intent is to save over gas. This is well-known.

 

[Spork8]

It is actually simple math, easy to figure out.
R1S Gen1, 135 kWh battery pack, mine good for 308 miles = 4 gallons of gasoline energy equivalent = 77 MPG equivalent. Very inefficient in terms of EV efficiency.

Ok? Maybe follow this instead, it might help with your simplistic understanding of math.

And when EV users are getting scammed at DCFCs paying 5, 6 times the price of energy than what ICE drivers pay, it ain't rocket science to figure out ICE wins out on long trips.

Where's the scam? ICE drivers don't use DCFC and purchasing gasoline is a wash as far as cost, nowhere near your supposed 5 or 6 times the price.

I'm not quite sure why you're replying to me anyway.

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