Anyone Still Using RAN?

[bigsky]

@bigsky is still clinging to the willfully disingenuous theoretical energy density of a gallon of gas, I see. If he wants to encourage others to take Physics 101 and then willingly insult others' basic math skills, he can challenge himself to do just that and apply physics to the effect fueling a gas vehicle with said gasoline has on its effieicncy.

@Spork8 most of us have stopped engaging with the troll in any meaningful way. He behaves like your local flat-earther. Full of sound and fury, signifying willful idiocy.

My ICE dyno SUV with a lousy 19 MPG is cheaper to run on long trips compared to DCFCs cost in many areas. Real experience, facts, forget anything x 101. Anybody with even a most basic command of math can figure that out. I did.

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[Spork8]

For shits and giggles, I looked up the RAN station in Kittery, ME. It's $0.41 per kW.

I don't know what the deal is here in RI? The difference between the RAN station and Tesla station less than a 1000 feet from each other is $0.12kW. Not like it's crossing some geographic boundary or something. Something ain't right.

I tried looking at ABRP and PlugShare for rates on the RAN that I used this past Saturday, but neither had rates. Since I have Connect+ I didn't want to rely on the Rivian App... So here's what Rivian says about Connect+. Basically it is media focused and does not indicate that there is a discount at RAN.

The charger I used was 0.43/kWh and I hit a peak of 218.77KW. They do display the rates at the charger but unfortunately; I don't live near one to check. Hope this helps.

 

[BeanEW]

I always thought that Toyota is way behind in EV tech but now I'm thinking more and more that they were on the right track. With the time spending on roundtrip charging, costs and everything else... the hybrid SUVs are looking better and better.

 

[azbill]

The extortion prices of electricity at DCFCs is the main reason why I rarely take my R1S on long trips unless absolutely necessary. Instead, I most always take my Model S, which has free Tesla supercharger electricity for life.

Here is why DCFC is so expensive.

 

[bigsky]

Here is why DCFC is so expensive.

Here's one reason why several of them should cost less, a lot less. One word: NEVI

 

[captainjp]

Here's one reason why several of them should cost less, a lot less. One word: NEVI

NEVI does nothing to offset costs associated with utility charges

 

[emoore]

There is a substantial disconnect between the stated battery range and the actual miles driven. I use the Trip-A odometer; I put 138 miles on the truck since the last charge at a cost of $34.18. When I divide that cost by the mileage, I get $0.25 per mile. I don't know what other mathematics to use to make is sound better.

We have the large battery pack. Hypothetically, if I were to charge to capacity from empty - 329 miles at (Tesla rate of) $0.48, that would be $158 to "fill up the tank".

All I know is that I will be quite judicial on where and how much I drive.

Yes, I do charge at home - rarely put the charger above 12amps. We have solar on the house and I am trying to balance what the house is using with what goes out to Net Credits.

But I have also not taken into consideration the routine maintenance and repairs to our aging ICE vehicles. The 11yo Nissan Rogue is running us about $7k a year in road wear / routine.

So you only get 1 mi/kWh? That's how you would get to your $158 to fill up.

 

[bigsky]

NEVI does nothing to offset costs associated with utility charges

Well, a Tesla supercharger does charge less than the other scam charging company across the same parking lot. Seriously doubt that there is a different utility across parking lot; ergo, your argument fails even the smell test.

 

[captainjp]

your argument fails even the smell test

What test? My argument is that NEVI funds are allocated for infrastructure. Having nothing to do with what the charging company pays in utilities. You argue that NEVI funds should apply, and I’m correcting your nonsensical logic

 

[captainjp]

Well, a Tesla supercharger does charge less than the other scam charging company across the same parking lot

Tesla charges less because of the large volume of vehicles along with a massive number of superchargers. Basic economics

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[SANZC02]

Tesla charges less because of the large volume of vehicles along with a massive number of superchargers. Basic economics

edited to clarify

I think that is where Rivian is missing the mark with the higher prices.

They need volume to spread the fixed cost across more sessions. That also will get more people used to visiting their locations keeping them busy as they build out.

The RAN will be a loss leader until it is built out, the trick is to find a sweet spot for the cost that will entice usage in order to minimize the losses.

Without competitive prices I think they will lose more money because of low usage numbers causing a very high percent of the unit cost to be consumed by the fixed costs.

 

[captainjp]

I think that is where Rivian is missing the mark with the higher prices.

They need volume to spread the fixed cost across more sessions. That also will get more people used to visiting their locations keeping them busy as they build out.

The RAN will be a loss leader until it is built out, the trick is to find a sweet spot for the cost that will entice usage in order to minimize the losses.

Without competitive prices I think they will lose more money because of low usage numbers causing a very high percent of the unit cost to be consumed by the fixed costs.

I’m almost certain an adjustment will be made.

 

[ltphoto]

I am almost finished on a 7,000 mile road trip. So far I have charged at exactly one RAN. The cost difference is so large that it is a complete joke. I can generally save at least $.20/kWh on Tesla with membership (once it was $.32 and the stations were less than a mile apart), and at least $.10/kWh on other networks. Understand that RAN is a smaller network and has costs to recover, but pricing this high is preventing any payback. On this trip Rivian has lost about 500kWh of charging from me. Lower pricing may not be paying off the investment as fast, but it is much better than zero revenue.

 

[bigsky]

What test? My argument is that NEVI funds are allocated for infrastructure. Having nothing to do with what the charging company pays in utilities. You argue that NEVI funds should apply, and I’m correcting your nonsensical logic

The street logic, yours, not college logic, mine, is the one I am quoting. You said it depends on what utility companies charge; ergo, I mentioned the two charging companies in the same parking lot, one extorting patrons more than the other, which is THE exhibit A proving that your premise is absolutely, total poppycock.

 

[bigsky]

Tesla charges less because of the large volume of vehicles along with a massive number of superchargers. Basic economics

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You are dead wrong again. Telling you to get out of the hole you are in and stop digging. If and when RAN and the other rip-off charging companies grow to be as big as the glorious Tesla supercharger network, let's just agree on the fact that you are hopelessly beyond disingenuous believing that these outfits will charge less then. ROFLMAO does not even begin to describe such, well, never you mind.

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