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Well, one could say this was a short but very intense stint. Certainly it was a much appreciated and enjoyable one packed with lots of learnings about EVs.

After having my R1T Dual Performance Max Pack for a year (and as some know fully converted it for Overlanding purposes), the small itch in the back of my head that I wasn't fully bought into the vehicle with passion became larger and could no longer be ignored. Of course, my overlanding equipment stays (partially) with me to be converted onto the next whip. However, after the Rivian being in a small accident (affecting resale value) and the general EV resale value landscape being absolutely pathetic, I decided it was time to get out before things got worse (luckily being financially endowed sufficiently to take the hit).

A few things that prevented me from gaining that passion that lets you keep the vehicle for a longer time:
- I had about 8 outstanding service tickets, all of which not first-timers in trying to be addressed. From suspension, to front drive unit, to rattles, to door issues to AC problems the list goes on. Being in NY with the Brooklyn SC the only location to fix it, waiting months for a service appointment didn't help.
- Subjectively, I always kind of wanted something bigger, more full size truck or SUV. Today, there is much more choice for buyers like me than there was before
- Subjectively, I smirked at the power of the EV but honestly, why do I need that much power in a truck? It just never added up to me. I'd much rather have significantly better range and faster charging than more power in an EV truck.
- The ride, while I believe according to factory-spec, was just too harsh, even in soft. That is not to say it wasn't softer than most other vehicles, but it was subjectively still too uncomfortable for the crappy NY roads.
- While not the main driver for my decision, the volatility of Rivian as a company did get to me in the back of my head at least a little

Farewell and I hope Rivian continues to innovate and figure things out. I can imagine being back at a later, more mature stage, of the product.

Of course you all want to know what I traded into and I reserved this for last, as I know this will be driving most of the discussion and comments but I wanted to make sure that what I got into was not the driver of what I got out off. I am now driving a 2024 Jeep Grand Wagoneer Series III with Hurricane I-6 Twin Turbo. So far, I've been loving the vehicle and it appears, most of the horrendous early issues have been figured out. Aside, the deals that can be had on Jeep vehicles these days is absolutely insane. The vehicle had a $109k MSRP and sold for $82k. I also have the same dealer as @NY_Rob which is a large volume dealer that will fight Stellantis for you if you need them to.
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Well, one could say this was a short but very intense stint. Certainly it was a much appreciated and enjoyable one packed with lots of learnings about EVs.

After having my R1T Dual Performance Max Pack for a year (and as some know fully converted it for Overlanding purposes), the small itch in the back of my head that I wasn't fully bought into the vehicle with passion became larger and could no longer be ignored. Of course, my overlanding equipment stays (partially) with me to be converted onto the next whip. However, after the Rivian being in a small accident (affecting resale value) and the general EV resale value landscape being absolutely pathetic, I decided it was time to get out before things got worse (luckily being financially endowed sufficiently to take the hit).

A few things that prevented me from gaining that passion that lets you keep the vehicle for a longer time:
- I had about 8 outstanding service tickets, all of which not first-timers in trying to be addressed. From suspension, to front drive unit, to rattles, to door issues to AC problems the list goes on. Being in NY with the Brooklyn SC the only location to fix it, waiting months for a service appointment didn't help.
- Subjectively, I always kind of wanted something bigger, more full size truck or SUV. Today, there is much more choice for buyers like me than there was before
- Subjectively, I smirked at the power of the EV but honestly, why do I need that much power in a truck? It just never added up to me. I'd much rather have significantly better range and faster charging than more power in an EV truck.
- The ride, while I believe according to factory-spec, was just too harsh, even in soft. That is not to say it wasn't softer than most other vehicles, but it was subjectively still too uncomfortable for the crappy NY roads.
- While not the main driver for my decision, the volatility of Rivian as a company did get to me in the back of my head at least a little

Farewell and I hope Rivian continues to innovate and figure things out. I can imagine being back at a later, more mature stage, of the product.

Of course you all want to know what I traded into and I reserved this for last, as I know this will be driving most of the discussion and comments but I wanted to make sure that what I got into was not the driver of what I got out off. I am now driving a 2024 Jeep Grand Wagoneer Series III with Hurricane I-6 Twin Turbo. So far, I've been loving the vehicle and it appears, most of the horrendous early issues have been figured out. Aside, the deals that can be had on Jeep vehicles these days is absolutely insane. The vehicle had a $109k MSRP and sold for $82k. I also have the same dealer as @NY_Rob which is a large volume dealer that will fight Stellantis for you if you need them to.
Nothing wrong with giving something a shot. The Grand Wagoneer is badass. Have fun out there!
 

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Hey @Tr4ckD4ys.. congrats on the new ride!

Hopefully you enjoy your new Jeep as much as I'm enjoying my Rubicon 4xe.
So far zero issues right off the dealer lot, and like you said, Jeep deals/incentives are spectacular right now, especially if you are interested in a 2024 model. Like you, I also dreaded the prospect of bringing my Rivian to Brooklyn for service, it's a full work day wasted for people like us out on Long Island. I wonder what ever happened to the "coming soon" Rivian SC that was promised for Syosset? That would have been a big plus for Long Island Rivian owners.

Best of luck with the new ride!!

FWIW- I'm still a R2 res holder and plan to circle back once it's being delivered to actual forum members who can review it. I'm also still in to RIVN for 400 shares, so I do want them to survive and thrive as a company.
 
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Unfortunately we all bought one of the worst vehicles for reliability according to many studies. To top it off , we have to wait 3+ months to have all these issues addressed. It’s just not sustainable. I’d say there would be a lot more of these posts if we wouldn’t lose our asses on resale value. Good luck with your wagoneer
 

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....after the Rivian being in a small accident (affecting resale value) and the general EV resale value landscape being absolutely pathetic, I decided it was time to get out before things got worse (luckily being financially endowed sufficiently to take the hit)....

I am now driving a 2024 Jeep Grand Wagoneer Series III with Hurricane I-6 Twin Turbo. So far, I've been loving the vehicle and it appears, most of the horrendous early issues have been figured out. Aside, the deals that can be had on Jeep vehicles these days is absolutely insane. The vehicle had a $109k MSRP and sold for $82k. I also have the same dealer as @NY_Rob which is a large volume dealer that will fight Stellantis for you if you need them to.
So you're saying buy high, sell low... jk

Enjoy the GW. Very nice and large vehicle.
 

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Makes sense....only if I leave at some point my current hypothetical exit plan would either be a LX700, GX550, Raptor R, Silverado ZR-2, or possibly a GMC Sierra EV...if I felt enough compelled to stay EV.

But that Hurrican engine seems pretty sweet too!

The Lexus offering would likely get my money as I have been treated like royalty by the dealer for a long time....but the others have been darn good too. I think the Rivian service machine has lowered my expectations some....

Enjoy!

Edit...I feel I should say my last two service trips have been excellent...but I have had more service needs for the Rivian than all my previous Lexus products combined...total mileage on them around 400k...
 

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Well, one could say this was a short but very intense stint. Certainly it was a much appreciated and enjoyable one packed with lots of learnings about EVs.

After having my R1T Dual Performance Max Pack for a year (and as some know fully converted it for Overlanding purposes), the small itch in the back of my head that I wasn't fully bought into the vehicle with passion became larger and could no longer be ignored. Of course, my overlanding equipment stays (partially) with me to be converted onto the next whip. However, after the Rivian being in a small accident (affecting resale value) and the general EV resale value landscape being absolutely pathetic, I decided it was time to get out before things got worse (luckily being financially endowed sufficiently to take the hit).

A few things that prevented me from gaining that passion that lets you keep the vehicle for a longer time:
- I had about 8 outstanding service tickets, all of which not first-timers in trying to be addressed. From suspension, to front drive unit, to rattles, to door issues to AC problems the list goes on. Being in NY with the Brooklyn SC the only location to fix it, waiting months for a service appointment didn't help.
- Subjectively, I always kind of wanted something bigger, more full size truck or SUV. Today, there is much more choice for buyers like me than there was before
- Subjectively, I smirked at the power of the EV but honestly, why do I need that much power in a truck? It just never added up to me. I'd much rather have significantly better range and faster charging than more power in an EV truck.
- The ride, while I believe according to factory-spec, was just too harsh, even in soft. That is not to say it wasn't softer than most other vehicles, but it was subjectively still too uncomfortable for the crappy NY roads.
- While not the main driver for my decision, the volatility of Rivian as a company did get to me in the back of my head at least a little

Farewell and I hope Rivian continues to innovate and figure things out. I can imagine being back at a later, more mature stage, of the product.

Of course you all want to know what I traded into and I reserved this for last, as I know this will be driving most of the discussion and comments but I wanted to make sure that what I got into was not the driver of what I got out off. I am now driving a 2024 Jeep Grand Wagoneer Series III with Hurricane I-6 Twin Turbo. So far, I've been loving the vehicle and it appears, most of the horrendous early issues have been figured out. Aside, the deals that can be had on Jeep vehicles these days is absolutely insane. The vehicle had a $109k MSRP and sold for $82k. I also have the same dealer as @NY_Rob which is a large volume dealer that will fight Stellantis for you if you need them to.
My Rivian is in the service center getting the tonneau cover installed. I'm driving a rental Dodge Durango and it's fucking miserable. The Rivian suspension is actually good, just noisy -- but the power and driving experience is night and day over gasoline.
 

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Unfortunately we all bought one of the worst vehicles for reliability according to many studies. To top it off , we have to wait 3+ months to have all these issues addressed. It’s just not sustainable. I’d say there would be a lot more of these posts if we wouldn’t lose our asses on resale value. Good luck with your wagoneer
The service situation availability needs to be addressed, but many of us have had great reliability with their vehicles. My year old Gen1 has been solid - no rattles, solidly built, and has been running great for 23,000 mi now. Only had a couple of small issues - one that Rivian addressed was a hydraulic leak caught at the 15,000 mi inspection - but never noticed beforehand by me. I also do have an intermittent noisy air suspension - but it's only noticeable on a few occasions every month (Rivian is taking a look tomorrow).

Their quality is clearly not consistent across builds though, and I would certainly be frustrated if I was struggling with trying to get service for a more problem prone build. I want to switch over to an R2 in 2026, but the growing pains they're clearly experiencing with Gen2 makes me reluctant to let go of my R1.
 
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My Rivian is in the service center getting the tonneau cover installed. I'm driving a rental Dodge Durango and it's fucking miserable. The Rivian suspension is actually good, just noisy -- but the power and driving experience is night and day over gasoline.
Yes, I've found whenever I get frustrated with any issues on my truck, I just go and drive a gas vehicle. I then will happily accept the flaws of the truck. :CWL:
 

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And the good part for OP is Stellantis is known for reliability.
Stellantis and Tavares are a disaster. What they've done to the Jeep, Dodge and Ram brand is nothing short of criminal. Whether you're into EVs or not, as an American citizen, it is sad to see. On the bright side, i still think Jeep is a killer brand. And like Rivian, if you're lucky and get a good build, you have a great vehicle. At least they have a dealer network with in my specific case a dealer that treats me like royalty right around the corner :)
 
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Yes, I've found whenever I get frustrated with any issues on my truck, I just go and drive a gas vehicle. I then will happily accept the flaws of the truck. :CWL:
Never felt like that... I always perceived them as different tools for different jobs. I guess that's an EV maturity thing that is going to change soon, when the EV is the better tool for every job.
 

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Yes, I've found whenever I get frustrated with any issues on my truck, I just go and drive a gas vehicle. I then will happily accept the flaws of the truck. :CWL:
To be fair, this Durango is the V6, not the Hemi. The gear hunting and delay when you hit the pedal is painful.
 

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Never felt like that... I always perceived them as different tools for different jobs. I guess that's an EV maturity thing that is going to change soon, when the EV is the better tool for every job.
Long distance towing, that's the only advantage an ICE has. They suck at everything else.

EDIT: They're also better at emitting copious amounts of co2.
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