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Agree that it will need a significant power infrastructure, but it will likely be medium voltage local distribution lines (not high voltage transmission lines) so it will be pole mounted or underground, not huge transmission towers. The trend, at least in our area, is to run new local distribution underground where possible. Many utilites now realize that between newer underground installation techniques that lower cost vs. long term pole mounted maintenance expenses due to storms, tree trimming, etc. the higher initial cost of underground installation is cheaper in the long run, especially when the customer is paying for the installation. You can be pretty certain that Rivian is gonig to pay a chunk of money to get power installed to the campus.
As someone who spends a significant amount of time in Europe, the American overhead power lines seemso archaic and ugly. Makes US cities seem like cities in developing countries.
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Agree that it will need a significant power infrastructure, but it will likely be medium voltage local distribution lines (not high voltage transmission lines) so it will be pole mounted or underground, not huge transmission towers. The trend, at least in our area, is to run new local distribution underground where possible. Many utilites now realize that between newer underground installation techniques that lower cost vs. long term pole mounted maintenance expenses due to storms, tree trimming, etc. the higher initial cost of underground installation is cheaper in the long run, especially when the customer is paying for the installation. You can be pretty certain that Rivian is gonig to pay a chunk of money to get power installed to the campus.
Yes running into the plant…. But the substation will have to be built to power it. How far away and what needs to be built I guess based on existing infrastructure and needs For example Toyota has at least 135 circuits running into its Kentucky plant with a demand of of 85 MVA. They generate some of their own power via methane recovery from a near by dump. But they have transmission lines running to the substation at which point the voyage is stepped down and run into the plant.
 

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Yes running into the plant…. But the substation will have to be built to power it. How far away and what needs to be built I guess based on existing infrastructure and needs For example Toyota has at least 135 circuits running into its Kentucky plant with a demand of of 85 MVA. They generate some of their own power via methane recovery from a near by dump. But they have transmission lines running to the substation at which point the voyage is stepped down and run into the plant.
Yes, I am assuming that since there is a town, there is a substation within 5 - 10 miles, although that's not guaranteed by any means. That's why I specified Distribution lines (not Transmission) lines into the facility. 69kv poles could be run in existing roadside right of way. 230kv Transmssion towers, not so much.

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Sitting reading through a couple of threads here and some internet articles, I was wondering if it would not be in Rivian’s best interest to look at alternate locations.

There are so many places that the local government as well as local residents would welcome them with open arms. I’m not in the know about the decision process to select this location but seems like there could be major headwinds to get this off the ground. Given that imagine all of the resistance moving forward on a project like this if the local officials are removed in favor of the resistance.

I like what they did in Normal taking over an existing facility. Even if they went somewhere that had an abandoned plant, they could raze it and start from scratch rather than retrofit like they did in Normal. They would then have a head start on some existing local infrastructure and a more supportive local presence.
 

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Sitting reading through a couple of threads here and some internet articles, I was wondering if it would not be in Rivian’s best interest to look at alternate locations.

There are so many places that the local government as well as local residents would welcome them with open arms. I’m not in the know about the decision process to select this location but seems like there could be major headwinds to get this off the ground. Given that imagine all of the resistance moving forward on a project like this if the local officials are removed in favor of the resistance.

I like what they did in Normal taking over an existing facility. Even if they went somewhere that had an abandoned plant, they could raze it and start from scratch rather than retrofit like they did in Normal. They would then have a head start on some existing local infrastructure and a more supportive local presence.
There really won't be any major headwinds. Most of the local residents could scream till their faces turned blue, and they still won't be able to stop anything. The property owners have already agreed to sell all the necessary land. The property will theoretically have to be rezoned, but the signals are pretty clear that's just a formality since the majority of the people who will be voting on that were involved in landing the deal in the first place. The best option upset locals will have is environmental review, which could be a headwind anywhere since it just takes a few people willing to spend money on litigation to be a nuisance about that part of the process.
 

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As someone who spends a significant amount of time in Europe, the American overhead power lines seemso archaic and ugly. Makes US cities seem like cities in developing countries.
Density is a key factor there.
the distances are minuscule in Europe compared to north America.

regsrding the proposed plant, I wonder if there was similar opposition when the Walmart super centres in these counties came to town, or the other large warehouses in the area.
 

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I like what they did in Normal taking over an existing facility. Even if they went somewhere that had an abandoned plant, they could raze it and start from scratch rather than retrofit like they did in Normal. They would then have a head start on some existing local infrastructure and a more supportive local presence.
I'm 100% in favor of reuse/repurpose projects. But razing an existing industrial facility would likely add 3 - 6 months to their timeline, more if it is an EPA "brownfield" type facility with contamination concerns. Seems like Rivian wants, and needs, the fastest track possible.
 

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If Georgia is going to keep complaining about this, Rivan is more than welcomed to move to FL. We're more than anxious to get them down here.
 

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As someone who spends a significant amount of time in Europe, the American overhead power lines seemso archaic and ugly. Makes US cities seem like cities in developing countries.
Overhead is much cheaper to construct. And much cheaper and much quicker to repair.
 

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Not that anyone wants a giant factory in their backyard, but I would much rather have a Rivian plant vs an Amazon distribution center or other annoying giant buildings it might be instead.
This is roughly 20 million sqft. Average Amazon center is less than 10% of that.

I do feel a little bad for the residents but this project should mostly help their property values.

focus of anyone upset should be the tax incentive package. Georgia has a reputation of throwing cash at any company that asks with with i’ll call a lazy due diligence process and a bad track record of ensuring a positive ROI
 

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As someone who spends a significant amount of time in Europe, the American overhead power lines seemso archaic and ugly. Makes US cities seem like cities in developing countries.
^ say you don’t understand the cost of infrastructure or population density of US/EU without saying you understand it…
 

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Out of curiosity, is the area red or blue?
 

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Out of curiosity, is the area red or blue?
In 2020, both Walton and Morgan county voted for Trump at >70% rate. Similar vote margin for the GOP candidate in both US Senate runoffs. The county immediately west, closer to ATL, was 55-60% for the Dem candidates in all 3 of those races. I'm too lazy to find precinct-level results to see how close to that corner of the counties the blue areas stretch.

The area is in the GA-10 US Congressional district, which is Jody Hice. He's running for GA Secretary of State this year, on a platform based entirely on the idea that the election was stolen.
 

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There's a bit of a challenge here, without seeing the precinct level data, btw. The factory site is technically in two counties, but it's in a corner of those two counties that's extremely close to the other county I mentioned as being "blue".

The pin is roughly where the factory site is. See how close it is to Newton County, which was 55+% "blue" in 2020?

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