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As a point of reference, the i3 has some very specific skinny tires in a non square set. I’m not aware of any vehicle that uses those tires/wheels. The entire vehicle was discontinued by BMW several years ago but you can still buy the tires.
Exactly! I just replaced all four tires on our i3. They weren't cheap as only one manufacturer on the planet makes them and they only fit the i3, no other vehicle in the world. FWIW- I was able to get them from Costco, they had to order them in.. took about a week to get.
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What happens to all of us with the 21” wheels since they are being discontinued? Do we have any third party options as of now?
Similar thing happened when Honda discontinued the Pax tires on the Odyssey. It is cheaper in the long run to buy 20” or 22” wheels and tires.
 

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It'll give me a reason to tell my other half, that I need to upgrade to a new wheel size and tire. LOL
You could even use it as a reason to upgrade your R1. Perhaps after a couple more refresh cycles. ?
 

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it was always the worst choice due to its unique size. those that got the 21s took a risk and unfortunately, its become even worse.
I picked the 21's because 1) it was free 2) I wasn't enamoured with any of the 20" wheel options 3) I was concerned about the range hit of the 20 vs the 21 and wanted, no, needed, real life range based on my driving style and my regular trips to the mountains. 4) I saw footage of the 21 in offroad conditions that made me very comfortable it would meet my needs off road 5) I figured there was a good chance that other 21 tire options would be available when I needed it (which appears to be the case). 6) I was confident that when I needed to replace the tires, I'd have many more Rivian specific 20" wheel options available (definitely the case) as well as a much better understanding of capabilities, range, etc of all options as well as my own real world needs.

I did not view it as a risk at all, in fact I viewed it as the best path for me. Basically, a two plus year free trial. I have not heard of anything over the past 15 months that has made that choice even worse. But maybe I missed something that has happened recently regarding the 21's?
 

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it was always the worst choice due to its unique size. those that got the 21s took a risk and unfortunately, its become even worse.
How can the most efficient option be, "..always the worst choice.."? Rather illogical to me.

Purchasing a product from a new company, is the risk we all took.
 

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I guess I'm confused why people would think it's anything other than better?

Rolling resistance depends heavily depends on the elastic hysteresis of the material. Steel and aluminum have much less hysteresis and thus result in lower rolling resistance, so the less rubber the better the rolling resistance, trains don't have rubber, and that's a huge reason why.

Also rims can be formed to more precise shapes than rubber which could theoretically improve efficency.

Why would more rubber improve things?
actually , in general a smaller rims have a better efficiency than a larger rim, because of rotation mass, extreme example: 18” vs 22” rim. Less rubber contact on a 18”

https://tiregrades.com/tire-anatomy/tire-size/changing-tire-size/bigger-wheels-vs-smaller-wheels/
 

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What happens to all of us with the 21” wheels since they are being discontinued? Do we have any third party options as of now?
It it even official? Plenty of people have and are selling their factory wheels. That will continue. Aftermarket... Atomic Wheels comes to mind. There may be others. As noted Michelin is coming out with a 275/55R21 and who knows who else will too. Even if all compatible tires in this size are to go extinct, all you need to do is switch to 20" or 22" wheels, factory or otherwise, run the appropriate sized tires for either and still be within spec of your 21" software.
 
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I have 2 21” wheels with 15k tires in my garage to sell anyone who needs spares :cool:
 

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actually , in general a smaller rims have a better efficiency than a larger rim, because of rotation mass, extreme example: 18” vs 22” rim. Less rubber contact on a 18”

https://tiregrades.com/tire-anatomy/tire-size/changing-tire-size/bigger-wheels-vs-smaller-wheels/
I'd like to fact check the weight thing, steel has a better strength to weight ratio than rubber (much more so, that's why we don't build cars out of rubber). Do you have the actual weight for a Rivian tire in each size, and the associated wheels?

That said, unsprung weight is only going to impact city efficency, it's going to have no effect on highway range. That's why I didn't mention it.

Contact patch will actually be smaller with the bigger wheels. That article saying otherwise is because it's generally smaller when you have a smaller outside diameter (though even that varies, as it depends on inflation pressure, so it shouldn't really differ much). When you're comparing something like the Rivian 21" and 22" wheels, the outside diameter is the same, the difference is the 22" has less rubber and will flex less, resulting in a smaller contact patch when inflated to the same pressure.

Edit: Found this thread https://www.rivianforums.com/forum/threads/21-wheel-weight-as-delivered.5576/

88/89lbs for 20"s, 85lbs for 21"s, 80lbs for 22"s which fits my suspicion, larger wheels are lighter.
 
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It'll give me a reason to tell my other half, that I need to upgrade to a new wheel size and tire. LOL
Did exactly this. Wife has basically claimed the S as hers so she said if it's good for the vehicle, she has no issues with the $$$ spent on the new rims and tires. Trick is to get your wife to fall for the vehicle.
 

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Just adding in case it was missed, Michelin is supposedly releasing the Defender LTX M/S2 tire that will fit the Rivian 21". Suppose to have been next month, now it's moved to the fall.
I feel like this has been the case for at least a year? Always "coming soon" but not quite here, suspicious of Michelin's fall date :)
 

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I picked the 21's because 1) it was free 2) I wasn't enamoured with any of the 20" wheel options 3) I was concerned about the range hit of the 20 vs the 21 and wanted, no, needed, real life range based on my driving style and my regular trips to the mountains. 4) I saw footage of the 21 in offroad conditions that made me very comfortable it would meet my needs off road 5) I figured there was a good chance that other 21 tire options would be available when I needed it (which appears to be the case). 6) I was confident that when I needed to replace the tires, I'd have many more Rivian specific 20" wheel options available (definitely the case) as well as a much better understanding of capabilities, range, etc of all options as well as my own real world needs.

I did not view it as a risk at all, in fact I viewed it as the best path for me. Basically, a two plus year free trial. I have not heard of anything over the past 15 months that has made that choice even worse. But maybe I missed something that has happened recently regarding the 21's?
based on filings from Rivian, it looks like they are discontinuing the 21s. with them being the only manufacturer with an OEM wheel this size its unclear how long Pirelli will continue making them and if other tires companies will make it in that size. there might have been 1 or 2 others that were planning to make it.
 

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How can the most efficient option be, "..always the worst choice.."? Rather illogical to me.

Purchasing a product from a new company, is the risk we all took.
guess it depends on what you define by worst but its certainly not illogical. to me worst is it being a unique tire size. literally no other OEM car manufacturer has a wheel in that size.

1) there is only one manufacturer that made that size tire at time of launch. i think that still might be the case though one other, i think Michelin, said they were working on that size. who knows now.
2) it being unique and only made by one company, its going to be an expensive tire, offsetting any cost savings by having the most efficient option. of course you'll get more miles per kWh but i would guess there are 22 and maybe even 20 A/S tires that will get you close to the 21s in terms of range.
3) the tire doesnt wear well and many have replaced them below 20k miles. again offsetting any cost benefits achieved with a more efficient tire.
 

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guess it depends on what you define by worst but its certainly not illogical. to me worst is it being a unique tire size. literally no other OEM car manufacturer has a wheel in that size.

1) there is only one manufacturer that made that size tire at time of launch. i think that still might be the case though one other, i think Michelin, said they were working on that size. who knows now.
2) it being unique and only made by one company, its going to be an expensive tire, offsetting any cost savings by having the most efficient option. of course you'll get more miles per kWh but i would guess there are 22 and maybe even 20 A/S tires that will get you close to the 21s in terms of range.
3) the tire doesnt wear well and many have replaced them below 20k miles. again offsetting any cost benefits achieved with a more efficient tire.
It's a 10/32 tread and doesn't last beyond 20k miles.

The General Grabber HTS60 (275/60R20) is half the price, also 10/32 tread, but weighs 3 pounds less...

I believe the 21" OEM rim is 48 pounds, while there are aftermarket 20" rims that are only 25-30 pounds...all said, the 21" tire is not as efficient as some of the 20" combinations currently available...

If you get creative, there might be some similarly sized 21" options that can work...width can be a challenge...
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