Rumor: Tri-motor Cybertruck $98,990 starting price ?

[COdogman]

No one, and you MEAN, no one on here believes that Rivian is safe?

You know, I think I will try blocking you and I suggest you block me in return so that we don’t clash here anymore. Please don’t bother replying to my comments because I won’t see them, so it would be like talking to a wall. Ciao.

If I'm wrong then you could provide some quotes from me or others that would reflect the things you were saying in your comments about Rivian in comparison to Tesla....

Or you could go ahead and block me so you don't have to answer such questions

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[NY_Rob]

Also, keep in mind Tesla rescinded their return policy back in 2020 (IIRC). What if after purchase you find the blind spots unacceptable, the ride too harsh, the seating uncomfortable, in other words.. all the stuff you usually check out during a test ride of a vehicle you're considering?

Many states in the US have lemon law for vehicles. Worst case scenario, use the state lemon law and get your money back.

No Lemon laws for "harsh ride", "blindspots", "uncomfortable seats".. the stuff I mentioned in my post. You'd be stuck with the vehicle!

For that, there is a test drive.

That was my point... a test ride is not available for early buyer CT reservation holders!
They are being asked to pay in full for a non-refundable item that they may not like upon seeing, sitting in or driving.

 

[freshpow]

That was my point... a test ride is not available for early buyer CT reservation holders!
They are being asked to pay in full for a non-refundable item that they may not like upon seeing, sitting in or driving.

To be fair, most could see something similar just by walking into their kitchen. Can understand that not everyone wants to empty out their fridge to sit in it and really get a feel for it

 

[Dark-Fx]

No one - and I mean no one here believes Rivian is safe from going under or is by any other means out of the woods when it comes to establishing themselves in the automotive industry.

I'd probably be accused of being a pretty big Rivian fanboy, and those people probably wouldn't be wrong either. But I'd still say Rivian's future is very uncertain even if they can succeed with rolling out their R2 line, because they have a long way to go with nailing down their manufacturing quality such that they aren't futher overwhelming their service centers.

That was my point... a test ride is not available for early buyer CT reservation holders!
They are being asked to pay in full for a non-refundable item that they may not like upon seeing, sitting in or driving.

Rivian's 7 day return policy existed when I had to buy my R1T sight unseen and undriven, but no-one had taken them up on that offer as far as I had known at the time. They also weren't offering test drives and I had never actually been inside one prior to having to sign on the dotted line after mine rolled up my driveway.

Rivian has been pretty good about making problems right but I'm sure my vehicle has increased their loss-per-vehicle metric, as have a lot of others with quite early VINs. If Tesla can avoid these kinds of initial quality problems and have a compelling product at the end of the day, I will be surprised.

 

[COdogman]

I'd probably be accused of being a pretty big Rivian fanboy, and those people probably wouldn't be wrong either. But I'd still say Rivian's future is very uncertain even if they can succeed with rolling out their R2 line, because they have a long way to go with nailing down their manufacturing quality such that they aren't futher overwhelming their service centers.
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I agree completely. I’ve been accused of being a Rivian employee here ? , and I am 100% rooting for them to make it, but they do have many areas where they need to improve. I bet the REAL Rivian employees would actually agree with that as well.

I do think of the other EV startups trying to make it right now, they are in the best position to survive. But they will need to keep improving and also be a little lucky. It’s a tough market.

 

[Zorg]

This Rivian forum sure likes to write about Tesla.

 

[SANZC02]

It is a tough road for everything EV currently, Ford just released their 3rd qtr numbers

ICE division around 1.5 billion positive
Commercial division around 1.3 billion positive
EV division around 1.5 billion negative.

Edit: That was by memory, here are the actual numbers

Ford’s traditional business operations, known as Ford Blue, earned $1.72 billion during the quarter, while its Ford Pro commercial business earned $1.65 billion. Its “Model e” electric vehicle unit lost $1.33 billion from July through September.

 

[shumdit]

I'm sorry you cannot understand written sentences properly. I never said that the Cybertruck is guaranteed to be a success. I did say that if it turns out to be a failure, Tesla will most likely make it right to the early adopters who bought the failed vehicle. I have 99% confidence in this not because I idolize Musk (I do not and one of his most fierce detractors), but because I believe that Tesla does not need such a bad PR at this time as it's struggling to maintain its market capitalization. The economic conditions are adverse for any car manufacturer right now due to high interest rates, continued inflation, and struggling supply chains, so the least Tesla needs right now is bad PR while it's trying to undercut its competition on pricing and still remain profitable.

Therefore, in this sense, I do believe that buying a Cybertruck is safer than buying a Rivian at this time. I would love to be able to say that Rivian is guaranteed to survive in the next 3-5 years, but I can't say this right now, and no one can. Tesla, on the other hand, "has made it" in a sense that Tesla is not going anywhere and has become a third large American vehicle manufacturer along with the Detroit Three.

i‘m afraid I can’t agree with your belief the Tesla wouldn’t leave their customers hanging. As a s and x owner , bought in 2013 and 2016 respectively, I have watched Tesla lie, backtrack and alienate their most enthusiastic fans. Ask people who took a huge bath buying a week or two before the price cuts how Tesla made it right by them. For a car company to be concerned about PR, wouldn’t they actually have a PR department?

 

[izgoy]

i‘m afraid I can’t agree with your belief the Tesla wouldn’t leave their customers hanging. As a s and x owner , bought in 2013 and 2016 respectively, I have watched Tesla lie, backtrack and alienate their most enthusiastic fans. Ask people who took a huge bath buying a week or two before the price cuts how Tesla made it right by them. For a car company to be concerned about PR, wouldn’t they actually have a PR department?

Price cuts right after one buys a vehicle and not compensating - that not what I meant. On the other hand. Tesla sold me a Model Y $16,000 below what the vehicle was priced at the time I finally agreed to take delivery. So they honored the price locked 20 months prior on a $100 non-refundable reservation.

 

[izgoy]

That was my point... a test ride is not available for early buyer CT reservation holders!
They are being asked to pay in full for a non-refundable item that they may not like upon seeing, sitting in or driving.

They don’t have to take their deliveries! I have a reservation on a Fisker Ocean, and Fisker doesn’t even provide test drives. They have a delivery center in my city, but they won’t let me test drive or even see the Ocean, and they want $62,000 (after they just dropped the price by $7,500) without people seeing or test driving their EVs.

 

[Rob Stark]

No test drives for Cybetruck is a non issue.

If you don't like it you can flip for a very nice profit. Or even if you do like it.

By the time you won't be able to flip for a profit Tesla will offer test drives.

 

[usofrob]

i‘m afraid I can’t agree with your belief the Tesla wouldn’t leave their customers hanging. As a s and x owner , bought in 2013 and 2016 respectively, I have watched Tesla lie, backtrack and alienate their most enthusiastic fans. Ask people who took a huge bath buying a week or two before the price cuts how Tesla made it right by them. For a car company to be concerned about PR, wouldn’t they actually have a PR department?

Strangely, when I got my Model 3 Performance, they had dropped the price shortly after purchasing by $5k, and people complained and they actually sent out a $5k check. That was nice, and not really required. So, maybe they've got a mixed bag track record.

 

[Dark-Fx]

They don’t have to take their deliveries! I have a reservation on a Fisker Ocean, and Fisker doesn’t even provide test drives. They have a delivery center in my city, but they won’t let me test drive or even see the Ocean, and they want $62,000 (after they just dropped the price by $7,500) without people seeing or test driving their EVs.

Supposed to get my Ocean One in less than a month. If you're in Michigan, let me know, I'll let you take mine on a quick drive.

 

[strykerwsu]

This Rivian forum sure likes to write about Tesla.

Said every forum ever about other mfg’s competing products lol.

 

[scottf200]

It is a tough road for everything EV currently, Ford just released their 3rd qtr numbers

ICE division around 1.5 billion positive
Commercial division around 1.3 billion positive
EV division around 1.5 billion negative.

Edit: That was by memory, here are the actual numbers

Ford’s traditional business operations, known as Ford Blue, earned $1.72 billion during the quarter, while its Ford Pro commercial business earned $1.65 billion. Its “Model e” electric vehicle unit lost $1.33 billion from July through September.

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