Rumor: Tri-motor Cybertruck $98,990 starting price ?

[Delivery Purgatory]

No 360 cam, no 6th seat, no 6.5ft bed. Things I require in a work truck for myself among most blue collar Americans so no matter the price it’s off the chart for my company.

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[sacramentoelectric]

I have a better chance getting my wife to accept me having a girlfriend than I do having her let me get a cyber truck.

 

[izgoy]

No 360 cam, no 6th seat, no 6.5ft bed. Things I require in a work truck for myself among most blue collar Americans so no matter the price it’s off the chart for my company.

No swimming pool! No griill! No kitchen! However, for those who do not need a truck but need a large vehicle with a long range that you can pack a lot of stuff into and take on a long road trip, the Cybertruck seems to be a decent option. Out of my window, I see four F-150s parked on the driveways of my 17-house subdivision. None of them is used as a truck.

 

[Delivery Purgatory]

No swimming pool! No griill! No kitchen! However, for those who do not need a truck but need a large vehicle with a long range that you can pack a lot of stuff into and take on a long road trip, the Cybertruck seems to be a decent option. Out of my window, I see four F-150s parked on the driveways of my 17-house subdivision. None of them is used as a truck.

A kitchen would be handy tbf for homeowners during power outages haha

 

[COdogman]

I didn't say that, did I? You like straw men to argue with?

I don't need a straw man because I have your actual words.

You know who is taking a huge leap of faith? Those who are buying a Rivian. The future of Rivian is not at all clear at this point.

Your statement about the leap of faith with the Cybertruck would have been a valid statement in 2018. By now anyone with a modicum of common sense realizes that Tesla has made it and is here to stay.

If they release a lemon, they will make it right to their customers. No way in hell such a high-profile vehicle would become an albatross around the neck of the early adopters. This would be really bad PR at the wrong time for Tesla. Out of all EV manufacturers today, the safest bet is to go with Tesla for any vehicle.

All of this notwithstanding, I think the “take” rate will be under 10%.

It is rather funny to see that "straw man" accusation from you, who can't answer a question about Tesla without changing the subject to Rivian

No matter how "safe" you believe they are, or how you feel they are "here to stay" , no company is safe or secure from bad decision making and wasted resources. It has been well documented how many people within Tesla were against the design of the Cybertruck. But because Tesla and all Musk companies are run based on his moods and childish fantasies, whatever he wants, happens regardless of how stupid or wasteful the project is.

All one needs to do is a basic Google search to see this guy is not well. Just having a ton of money and a head start on the competition in no way means Tesla is "here to stay". They are still a young company in the grand scheme of things. Any car manufacturer who has been around awhile has experienced more than 1 flop that hurt the company. Tesla will experience the same.

 

[Dark-Fx]

It is possible to have failed ideas. Think of the Chevrolet SSR back in the early 2000s. Lost GM a chunk of cash selling maybe 1/3 of the expected run when they pulled the plug.

My dad really wanted to like the SSR but after his test drive he was disappointed by the fact that it still drove like an early 2000s GM truck.

 

[izgoy]

I don't need a straw man because I have your actual words.



It is rather funny to see that "straw man" accusation from you, who can't answer a question about Tesla without changing the subject to Rivian

No matter how "safe" you believe they are, or how you feel they are "here to stay" , no company is safe or secure from bad decision making and wasted resources. It has been well documented how many people within Tesla were against the design of the Cybertruck. But because Tesla and all Musk companies are run based on his moods and childish fantasies, whatever he wants, happens regardless of how stupid or wasteful the project is.

All one needs to do is a basic Google search to see this guy is not well. Just having a ton of money and a head start on the competition in no way means Tesla is "here to stay". They are still a young company in the grand scheme of things. Any car manufacturer who has been around awhile has experienced more than 1 flop that hurt the company. Tesla will experience the same.

I'm sorry you cannot understand written sentences properly. I never said that the Cybertruck is guaranteed to be a success. I did say that if it turns out to be a failure, Tesla will most likely make it right to the early adopters who bought the failed vehicle. I have 99% confidence in this not because I idolize Musk (I do not and one of his most fierce detractors), but because I believe that Tesla does not need such a bad PR at this time as it's struggling to maintain its market capitalization. The economic conditions are adverse for any car manufacturer right now due to high interest rates, continued inflation, and struggling supply chains, so the least Tesla needs right now is bad PR while it's trying to undercut its competition on pricing and still remain profitable.

Therefore, in this sense, I do believe that buying a Cybertruck is safer than buying a Rivian at this time. I would love to be able to say that Rivian is guaranteed to survive in the next 3-5 years, but I can't say this right now, and no one can. Tesla, on the other hand, "has made it" in a sense that Tesla is not going anywhere and has become a third large American vehicle manufacturer along with the Detroit Three.

You should pay a closer attention to what's been happening in the EV manufacturing space in the past couple of months. Today Mercedes reported pretty bad numbers and their stock is hammered. Mercedes specifically cited the losses they are taking on their EV devision and how hard it is to compete today in this field. Take a note of GM backing out of their release terms for their new EVs and delaying the promised vehicles by years. Take a note of VW having laid off thousands of workers building EVs and not releasing the 2024 ID.4 model year in the US yet (way overdue) likely due to the dealerships being backed up with the existing 2023 ID.4 inventory and not wanting to sell EVs anymore. My own VW dealer told me they no longer want to deal with the ID.4. Take a note of Ford having lowered pricing on both the Ford Lightning and the Mach E vehicles several times now and also having lowered lease prices significantly. Consider Lucid and them having lowered their prices significantly while not being able to sell a whole lot of their excellent sedans. They are demand constrained and are teetering on failure at this point while having built the best EV sedan in the world bar none. And then, Rivian is accosting me with the strong suggestion to lock my 2022 pre-order and get my R1S DM Maximum Pack delivered to me in 1-4 months. What's going on there? Why is Rivian calling me now? And then consider Musk having said all through the year that the EV horizon is getting very challenging and Tesla having lowered pricing on their flagship EVs (S and X) dramatically, with X having been priced $40,000 cheaper (before the tax credit is factored in).

In this challenging environment, which of the aforementioned manufacturers is most likely to succeed in staying profitable while making EVs?

 

[COdogman]

I'm sorry you cannot understand written sentences properly. I never said that the Cybertruck is guaranteed to be a success. I did say that if it turns out to be a failure, Tesla will most likely make it right to the early adopters who bought the failed vehicle. I have 99% confidence in this not because I idolize Musk (I do not and one of his most fierce detractors), but because I believe that Tesla does not need such a bad PR at this time as it's struggling to maintain its market capitalization while the economic conditions are adverse for any car manufacturer right now due to high interest rates, continued inflation, and struggling supply chains.

Whether Tesla "doesn't need" the bad PR of a failed vehicle is irrelevant when Musk is in charge. Every day this man does things to damage the reputation of his companies. I also never claimed you said the Cybertruck was guaranteed to be a success. I said Tesla is no more safe or secure from going under than any other manufacturer if they make bad decisions and waste resources.

Maybe it's you who doesn't understand?

And once again you managed to bring Rivian into it

 

[NY_Rob]

Your statement about the leap of faith with the Cybertruck would have been a valid statement in 2018. By now anyone with a modicum of common sense realizes that Tesla has made it and is here to stay.

Never said it wasn't coming.. as a matter of fact I'm on record here telling the deniers that it is indeed coming once the Idra Presses were on the ship from Italy.

If they release a lemon, they will make it right to their customers. No way in hell such a high-profile vehicle would become an albatross around the neck of the early adopters. This would be really bad PR at the wrong time for Tesla. Out of all EV manufacturers today, the safest bet is to go with Tesla for any vehicle.

Some things can't be "made right" just because the design is so F'd up from square one.
I purchased a boat back in the day that had an OMC "Sea Drive" outboard/system.. it was an expensive disaster from day one. The system was someone's pipe dream and cost OMC tons of $$$ to constantly repair under warranty. As soon as everyone's warranty's were up.. they all re-powered with an Armstrong bracket and standard outboard. OMC quickly discontinued the whole Sea Drive system after introduction. So, yes, in the spirit of the warranty contract OMC "made it right" precisely up till the day the warranty expired, but many boaters lost weeks and months of the precious fishing season due to those units constantly being in the shop for repairs.
Not saying the CT will be as bad as the failed Sea Drive system, but big corporations can/do make mistakes and the automotive business is no exception.

Also, keep in mind Tesla rescinded their return policy back in 2020 (IIRC). What if after purchase you find the blind spots unacceptable, the ride too harsh, the seating uncomfortable, in other words.. all the stuff you usually check out during a test ride of a vehicle you're considering? No one outside Tesla corp has ever driven a CT. Early buyers are being asked to fund their purchase without ever seeing a CT in person, never having sat in one.. and never driven one... that's a lot of "nothing" to go on when purchasing what may be a $90K vehicle that you can not return. AKA "a huge leap of faith".

 

[izgoy]

Whether Tesla "doesn't need" the bad PR of a failed vehicle is irrelevant when Musk is in charge. Every day this man does things to damage the reputation of his companies. I also never claimed you said the Cybertruck was guaranteed to be a success. I said Tesla is no more safe or secure from going under than any other manufacturer if they make bad decisions and waste resources.

Maybe it's you who doesn't understand?

And once again you managed to bring Rivian into it

I understand that RIVN investors are upset when a competitor's product is mentioned on a Rivian forum in any connotation other than negative. I also understand that the expectation here is to bash everyone but Rivian. Such as the expectation on every forum. Sorry I caused you so much pain. I will cease now.

 

[izgoy]

Not saying the CT will be as bad as the failed Sea Drive system, but big corporations can/do make mistakes and the automotive business is no exception.

Many states in the US have lemon law for vehicles. Worst case scenario, use the state lemon law and get your money back. I don't know if there is a lemon law for boats.

 

[COdogman]

I understand that RIVN investors are upset when a competitor's product is mentioned on a Rivian forum in any connotation other than negative. I also understand that the expectation here is to bash everyone but Rivian. Such as the expectation on every forum. Sorry I caused you so much pain. I will cease now.

I'm not a Rivian investor. You've tried that one before with me and it didn't work.... Try and keep up.

The point is that you are using your Rivian comments as responses to things no one here actually said, which is literally the definition of a "straw man" argument. No one - and I mean no one here believes Rivian is safe from going under or is by any other means out of the woods when it comes to establishing themselves in the automotive industry.

You can't defend Tesla without comparing them to things no one believes or said about Rivian which makes your arguments look even thinner. Keep up the good work

 

[NY_Rob]

Many states in the US have lemon law for vehicles. Worst case scenario, use the state lemon law and get your money back.

No Lemon laws for "harsh ride", "blindspots", "uncomfortable seats".. the stuff I mentioned in my post. You'd be stuck with the vehicle! Even if you then tried to sell it.. you'd have to wait (possibly months) to get the Title from Tesla and no refunds on state sales taxes.

So with no ability to test drive, sit in or even see the CT in person.. Tesla is asking early buyers to pay in full and take delivery on a non-refundable item. That's asking a lot from buyers IMO.

 

[izgoy]

No one - and I mean no one here believes Rivian is safe from going under or is by any other means out of the woods when it comes to establishing themselves in the automotive industry.

No one, and you MEAN, no one on here believes that Rivian is safe?

You know, I think I will try blocking you and I suggest you block me in return so that we don’t clash here anymore. Please don’t bother replying to my comments because I won’t see them, so it would be like talking to a wall. Ciao.

 

[izgoy]

No Lemon laws for "harsh ride", "blindspots", "uncomfortable seats".. the stuff I mentioned in my post.

For that, there is a test drive.

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