Ford/Tesla Deal: Access to Superchargers, adapter coming, future EVs will have NACS (Tesla) port

[israndy]

I think I’ll go out of my way to take up two Tesla supercharging spots, just to piss people off. Tesla drivers: “we don’t want your kind here!”

Assuming you are charging at this site than you are not just pissing Tesla drivers off with taking two stalls it would also be everyone who has the ability to charge like you at that Supercharger. If you goal is to get restrictions on Rivians this would be a good strategy.

The 12 Magic Dock locations include docks in each stall, but Tesla can just as easily decide to only provide one, all the way down at the end, or when you go to start charging it could dictate which stall you must plug into to get it to charge.

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[scottf200]

If Ford ever gave a shit in the first place they would have started their own network

Looks like Ford believed in CharIN and others in charge of the network build-out and ongoing *maintenance*.

Should all these folks that sell EVs in the USA in purple start their own network? Is that what you are saying? Or just Ford?

 

[Dark-Fx]

Looks like Ford believed in CharIN and others in charge of the network build-out and ongoing *maintenance*.

Should all these folks that sell EVs in the USA in purple start their own network? Is that what you are saying? Or just Ford?

Have you ever said the words "dieselgate" disparagingly?

 

[scottf200]

Have you ever said the words "dieselgate" disparagingly?

My question remains unanswered. Do you think all those players should have started their own charging networks like you stated about Ford?

Large corporations don't use hope as a strategy for the corp success or stockholders value. CCS1 implementation and maintenance jeopardized/jeopardizes these corporations strategies in the USA.

 

[Dark-Fx]

My question remains unanswered.

If you could figure it out, why did it take Ford so long to figure out?

 

[scottf200]

If you could figure it out, why did it take Ford so long to figure out?

I guess I have my answer and you are backpedaling with whataboutism.

Ford has tried for years to help with this. One of several examples:
https://fordauthority.com/2022/06/some-ev-chargers-suffer-from-major-reliability-issues-study/

Ford CEO Jim Farley is well aware that current EV charging standards are a bit lacking, to say the least, even as the automaker continues to expand its network and charging solutions.

That’s part of the reason why a number of specially-equipped Ford Mustang Mach-E models are already out patrolling EV chargers and identifying units that aren’t functioning properly via the automaker’s Charge Angels program. Regardless, a new study from the University of California, Berkeley has found that some EV chargers still suffer from major reliability issues.

The study – Reliability of Open Public Electric Vehicle Direct Current Fast Chargers – utilized a Mustang Mach-E and evaluated 657 EVSE (electric vehicle service equipment) CCS connectors on 181 open, public DCFC (direct current fast chargers) charging stations in the Greater Bay Area recently, and what it found were a myriad number of problems. Each EVSE was determined to be “functional” if it was able to charge an EV for two minutes or if it was charging an EV at the time that particular station was evaluated, and yet, only 72.5 percent of the units observed were able to do this.

Of the remaining units, 22.7 percent were non-functioning, unresponsive, or had some other sort of problem including a non-working screen, charge initiation failure, payment system failure, network failure, or a broken connector. An additional 4.9 percent had cables that weren’t long enough to reach an EV’s charge port, too. Additionally, those that conducted the study waited around eight days and then rechecked 10 percent of the non-functioning EV chargers, at which point it was discovered that nothing had been repaired yet.

 

[Dark-Fx]

I guess I have my answer and you are backpedaling with whataboutism.

I'm just not letting you steer the conversation into strawmen.

Ford has tried for years to help with this. One of several examples:
https://fordauthority.com/2022/06/some-ev-chargers-suffer-from-major-reliability-issues-study/

Ford never published anything about the effectiveness of this program. Just empty PR.

 

[scottf200]

Ford never published anything about the effectiveness of this program. Just empty PR.

Their publication about it when nothing was improved by all organizations involved is below.
Jim Farley indicated the problem went on so long that there have been 2 years of discussions with Tesla.

Ford EV Customers To Gain Access To 12,000 Tesla Superchargers; Company To Add North American Charging Standard Port In Future EVs
https://media.ford.com/content/ford...n-access-to-12-000-tesla-superchargers--.html

 

[SANZC02]

I guess I have my answer and you are backpedaling with whataboutism.

Ford has tried for years to help with this. One of several examples:
https://fordauthority.com/2022/06/some-ev-chargers-suffer-from-major-reliability-issues-study/

Do you actually have an example that is years old? That article will not be a year old until 6/6/2023. Seems like if the argument was for years and you wanted to supply a single supporting article it would have at least been a couple of years old.

 

[scottf200]

Do you actually have an example that is years old? That article will not be a year old until 6/6/2023. Seems like if the argument was for years and you wanted to supply a single supporting article it would have at least been a couple of years old.

Seriously? This is not new for anyone that has followed this space for years. We all know that the CCS1 network problems have been going on for years. How many articles, tweets, etc have customers been in who have had these CCS1 problems when traveling.

From the article above: "Carmakers' frustration by now is "off the charts," " -- how long did that take? Certainly longer than a year.

All the companies that put out any EVs in the USA over the past several years know about it because they heard it from customers and collect the data from the charging failures. They have the information.

Does EVgo, EA, etc share that with GM, Ford, etc when they call about the problems? You can bet those conversations have been going on a few years. Again Jim Farley said this discussion with Tesla has been going on for 2 years. How BAD did the information and lack of improvement over time get that Jim Farley had in order for Ford to take this step? Pretty bad.

Has the CCS1 network publicity over the past few years caused orders and sales to not happen? Or perhaps delayed them until the news became consistently positive. If you have a negative experience you may be sharing that with co-workers, friends, family, etc. Easy to see how this could taint future buyers.

Has Tesla been able to make sales because their travel network is reliable and that is in the press? Ford, GM, etc, see the sales numbers and must be factoring that in.

 

[HaveBlue]

Where I live there's a huge charging station near a freeway and power station. There's a mix of both Tesla and CCS. The Tesla's use the CCS because it's cheaper. Gas station wars...

 

[SANZC02]

Seriously? This is not new for anyone that has followed this space for years. We all know that the CCS1 network problems have been going on for years. How many articles, tweets, etc have customers been in who have had these CCS1 problems when traveling.

From the article above: "Carmakers' frustration by now is "off the charts," " -- how long did that take? Certainly longer than a year.

All the companies that put out any EVs in the USA over the past several years know about it because they heard it from customers and collect the data from the charging failures. They have the information.

Does EVgo, EA, etc share that with GM, Ford, etc when they call about the problems? You can bet those conversations have been going on a few years. Again Jim Farley said this discussion with Tesla has been going on for 2 years. How BAD did the information and lack of improvement over time get that Jim Farley had in order for Ford to take this step? Pretty bad.

Has the CCS1 network publicity over the past few years caused orders and sales to not happen? Or perhaps delayed them until the news became consistently positive. If you have a negative experience you may be sharing that with co-workers, friends, family, etc. Easy to see how this could taint future buyers.

Has Tesla been able to make sales because their travel network is reliable and that is in the press? Ford, GM, etc, see the sales numbers and must be factoring that in.

Not sure about your response here. I simply asked if you actually had link to show as you claimed Ford has been working on this for years.

 

[DuoRivians]

Where I live there's a huge charging station near a freeway and power station. There's a mix of both Tesla and CCS. The Tesla's use the CCS because it's cheaper. Gas station wars...

This is one reason why CCS is the better long term option. More vendors to compete, which results in more tech and cheaper prices at the “pump”. If the entire charging network is made up of just 2-3 players, that has ample chance of leading to non-competitive kwh pricing.

 

[zefram47]

This is one reason why CCS is the better long term option. More vendors to compete, which results in more tech and cheaper prices at the “pump”. If the entire charging network is made up of just 2-3 players, that has ample chance of leading to non-competitive kwh pricing.

While true, only EA is currently a corridor charging network. The other players are usually very regional or even just found in metro areas. Until we see EVGo start to build out their coast to coast corridor network there really isn't any competition. This is why so many bitch about EA and their shit reliability too. No incentive to keep it functioning even though everyone road tripping has no other options the majority of the time.

 

[scottf200]

Not sure about your response here. I simply asked if you actually had link to show as you claimed Ford has been working on this for years.

Sorry. So no, I only posted the first one I found.

I respond with what I did because I interpreted that you doubted that the CCS1 network has been a problem for a short time as you pointed out the article was < 1 yr. We all know it has been a problem for much longer. Many have been following the charging space. I recall back in Oct-2011 blowing up the spark EV picture and seeing the CCS1 charging port. Lot of people were following CCS1 progress all these years.

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