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Just got mine back from service on Tuesday. Guess I dodged a potential bullet ? . Here’s the reality though…the third party independent haulers are a real crapshoot. For pickup last week the guy was almost 5 hours late with a string of texts “I’ll be there at X”, “30 minutes out”, “45 minutes out” etc. basically held me hostage all afternoon. I could have easily made the round trip in that amount of time.

But that was a cakewalk compared to the return trip for which the hauler just never bothered to show up. After numerous discussion with the freight company a second driver picked the truck up at 6pm, several hours after I should have had it home. This driver didn’t need to be punished with a long night to return home at 1AM so I let him bring it on Tuesday.

Free towing or not, if my truck needs service in the future I will almost certainly be driving it to the SC. I burned WAY more of my time waiting than I would have making two round trips to Atlanta.
Very interesting… did Rivian tell you a 3rd party was going to be used? I was told it would be a Rivian employee bringing a flatbed, similar to what they use for deliveries.
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Very interesting… did Rivian tell you a 3rd party was going to be used? I was told it would be a Rivian employee bringing a flatbed, similar to what they use for deliveries.
I would ask again. Ain’t no Rivian employee got no time for that.
 

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Why would someone want their drivable truck towed?

Here’s what driving my truck to ATL would look like if 2.5hr SC can’t do the work:

1) 6 hr day 1. Let’s say Monday I take off work.
2) now what? Drive 6hr back in rental for 12hr driving day? Hell no.
3) hotel Monday
4) wait a week for parts in ATL or drive back Tuesday? (hint, they didn’t even look at my truck on Monday it just sat in the lot while I sat in hotel)
5) drive back Tues (another day off work)
6) repeat when service done.

4 days off work and 2 hotels in the end

7) they still didn’t fix it. Do it all over again.

Edit: this isn’t hypothetical either. It’s documenting what my first 5 weeks with this truck looked like. There’s no way I would do this. Except I would have to in order to fix it to sell it.

1.) Why would you want your non-disabled vehicle to be towed to a Rivian service center? If you can drive it, why would you ever trust it to a tow truck anyway? Haven't we seen enough delivery carnage from truck operators?
 
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Very interesting… did Rivian tell you a 3rd party was going to be used? I was told it would be a Rivian employee bringing a flatbed, similar to what they use for deliveries.
It may depend on how busy they are, and what's available.
 

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1) Rivian is picking it up, not a third party.
2) it’s a 130-mile one way trip for a vehicle with an alignment and wheel balance issue - no thanks.
Ok - wheel balance and alignment can be a safety issue.

I don't want to suggest that I'm agreeing with Rivian here about their tow policy. If it is warranty issue, they should absolutely tow the truck and if their service centers are far and few between - how is that the customers fault?

I was trying to resolve what folks were considering "drivable."
 

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Because some people live several hundred miles from the nearest service center. Dropping your vehicle off/picking it up from a location 300 miles away is quite inconvenient and very expensive. At least two days taking off work, plus two very expensive taxi rides.
Ok, my pitchfork is officially out out of the shed!

Thanks for the context.
 

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In the 50ish years I have been buying cars, this has been the way it worked from every manufacturer I have purchased from.
In the 50ish years that you have been buying cars, it's unlikely that you purchased anywhere other than a local dealer that provided service, or with a service center local to you. In my 30 years of buying cars, I was in the same boat.

Until this one.

Now, when my tonneau cover screws itself up, and they don't offer me mobile service, I either have a $1800 tow bill or hours upon hours of a drive to get it fixed. Assuming it's not fixed same day (and I wait) it's 14 hours in the truck for me.

Both options suck.

If they are not covering towing, they need to have local service centers or equivalent mobile service wherever they sell vehicles. That is not the case here.
 

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Ok, my pitchfork is officially out out of the shed!

Thanks for the context.
Someone might be able to "hotel it" overnight instead of traveling twice, but then you are counting on them to fix it the day you bring it in and the next day. Might be ok once in awhile, but some people have been doing repeat service for repeat problems.
 

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Someone might be able to "hotel it" overnight instead of traveling twice, but then you are counting on them to fix it the day you bring it in and the next day. Might be ok once in awhile, but some people have been doing repeat service for repeat problems.
At the end of the day they are putting the burden of their growing pains squarely on the shoulders of their customer base - the very customer base that is helping them stay in business and serve as brand ambassadors at a critical time in the companies development.

They need to take care of customers who are already dealing with the inconveniences and aggravation of all the first generation issues. This nickel and diming of their customer base isn't a good look and they should know that. It makes me wonder if their cash reserves are becoming an issue - or they are tightening up as much as they can ahead of an inevitable economic slowdown.
 

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Very interesting… did Rivian tell you a 3rd party was going to be used? I was told it would be a Rivian employee bringing a flatbed, similar to what they use for deliveries.
Based on the discussions I had plus what I’ve seen posted it looks to be exceedingly rare to get a Rivian employee service tow. They use freight brokers who post the job on services for independent haulers. Both of the actual drivers I spoke with had done several Rivians, and the owner of the freight company said he had handled almost 200 of them.
 

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At this point, I think owners that live far away from a working SC should be grandfathered for complimentary tows. Plus any non-cosmetic warranty repairs regardless of distance from SC. Then, stop making delivery to reservation holders that live a certain radius away from SC unless they agree to make their own transportation arrangements.

I thought delivery was initially prioritized based on distance from SC, which would have alleviated some of these issues.

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At the end of the day they are putting the burden of their growing pains squarely on the shoulders of their customer base - the very customer base that is helping them stay in business and serve as brand ambassadors at a critical time in the companies development.

They need to take care of customers who are already dealing with the inconveniences and aggravation of all the first generation issues. This nickel and diming of their customer base isn't a good look and they should know that. It makes me wonder if their cash reserves are becoming an issue - or they are tightening up as much as they can ahead of an inevitable economic slowdown.
Those tow rates aren’t nickel and diming. It is possible that Rivian had set up a tow for the original service date, but still had to pay a portion of that when the OP moved his date, so they are potentially charging to prevent that from happening again. Either way, Rivian can’t do free tows forever for trucks that are drivable. I have the pre 3/1 pricing, and still intend to purchase, but if I end up needing service at a service center more than my ICE vehicles, especially with the time and effort or tow money required, I’ll cut my losses. I understand that Rivian can’t fulfill everyone’s needs, they need to grow, as I’m sure they understand not everyone wants to travel hours for service.
 

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Very interesting… did Rivian tell you a 3rd party was going to be used? I was told it would be a Rivian employee bringing a flatbed, similar to what they use for deliveries.
FYI, rivian ONLY uses third party tow trucks for service. They go through another service called Avao or something to schedule everything. They only use rivian flatbeds for delivery. And yes, when you talk to the third party tow truck drivers most of them have done multiple Rivians
 

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Those tow rates aren’t nickel and diming. It is possible that Rivian had set up a tow for the original service date, but still had to pay a portion of that when the OP moved his date, so they are potentially charging to prevent that from happening again. Either way, Rivian can’t do free tows forever for trucks that are drivable. I have the pre 3/1 pricing, and still intend to purchase, but if I end up needing service at a service center more than my ICE vehicles, especially with the time and effort or tow money required, I’ll cut my losses. I understand that Rivian can’t fulfill everyone’s needs, they need to grow, as I’m sure they understand not everyone wants to travel hours for service.
We can agree to disagree on that. People are paying luxury brand pricing and are doing so with blind faith that Rivian is going to sort out the issues in its first generation builds - for a brand new company. Tesla is a dumpster fire when it comes to service, but the first few years at least, they took care of their customers who were putting up with all of the issues so that the company could get on better footing for the next model year/generation.
 
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Ok, I am hoping this is just another miscommunication. Hopefully what they are meaning is that if it is a minor or multiple minor fixes then they would prefer to send a mobile service tech to you to have it fixed (a la Tesla 2018/19). RJ just had a video showing the ramp of mobile service techs. If its a major issue (dangerous, undriveable or UNFIXABLE BY MOBILE SERVICE) then free ticket to the service center unless you live within a reasonable distance from a service center (say 100 miles).

I am trying to give Rivian the benefit of the doubt here but if it turns out to be the case that any service other than an undrivable vehicle does not qualify for a free tow then I think that will be completely unacceptable to many customers (would cost me nearly $2,200 each way for a warranty or factory defect item) . Could be the final straw for many and may be the last bad decision Rivian gets to make.
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