Olsonsolar
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Our Volt does that.It would be nice if a future OTA update could provide a breakdown of consumption, such as how much was spent on HVAC vs propulsion vs accessories.
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Our Volt does that.It would be nice if a future OTA update could provide a breakdown of consumption, such as how much was spent on HVAC vs propulsion vs accessories.
I know it will take some time to ramp up but there's so much low hanging fruit Rivian could implement in software.It would be nice if a future OTA update could provide a breakdown of consumption, such as how much was spent on HVAC vs propulsion vs accessories.
So in VA residential rates are $0.12/kWh. EA rates are $0.43/kWh or as a member $.31/kWh. I know that's not apples to apples as EA does not pay residential rates, but at over 3x residential rates, that's a little steep.What makes you think EA is price gouging?
It's not apples to apples because they need to amortize the 6-figure cost of the charger and its installation by marking up a 15-cent product. And that's before overhead and actual profits. Road trips aren't necessarily cheaper, but since you get most of your energy at home when you're vehicle isn't in use, most drivers will still come out well ahead -- especially if gas prices keep moving up.So in VA residential rates are $0.12/kWh. EA rates are $0.43/kWh or as a member $.31/kWh. I know that's not apples to apples as EA does not pay residential rates, but at over 3x residential rates, that's a little steep.
For ICE, average gas station owner gross is $0.10-0.15/gal of gas sold....that's before expenses. Yet right now everyone is screaming gas stations are gouging on prices...too funny.
Let's not forget how EA started and who owns them - VW due to the diesel scandal. And in a few years their obligation under court agreement goes away...
Dzm
Right. So people just assume EA is trying to make a bunch of money because they think EA pays a similar electrical rate as a residential customer. In many areas of the Country they're subject to large demand fees.So in VA residential rates are $0.12/kWh. EA rates are $0.43/kWh or as a member $.31/kWh. I know that's not apples to apples as EA does not pay residential rates, but at over 3x residential rates, that's a little steep.
For ICE, average gas station owner gross is $0.10-0.15/gal of gas sold....that's before expenses. Yet right now everyone is screaming gas stations are gouging on prices...too funny.
Let's not forget how EA started and who owns them - VW due to the diesel scandal. And in a few years their obligation under court agreement goes away...
Dzm
I thought I had heard that VW had already sold their stake in EA.Let's not forget how EA started and who owns them - VW due to the diesel scandal. And in a few years their obligation under court agreement goes away...
edit: VW was trying to get an additional investor back in July 21
Dzm
You point has nothing to do with the cost EA charges compared to a gas station. How much do you think it costs to build and maintain a gas station? Certainly more than 6 figures!! Don't you think they have to amortize the costs? Don't you think their costs to operate far exceed an unmanned electrical supply station? Tesla in VA charges about $0.30/kWh...so Yes EA is price gouging which was the point of this discussion at $0.42/kWh...if you're a member, it's on parity with competition.It's not apples to apples because they need to amortize the 6-figure cost of the charger and its installation by marking up a 15-cent product. And that's before overhead and actual profits. Road trips aren't necessarily cheaper, but since you get most of your energy at home when you're vehicle isn't in use, most drivers will still come out well ahead -- especially if gas prices keep moving up.
Never said ^. In fact I said it's NOT apples to apples. I highlighted residential to show what actual costs are closer to for production and distribution of electricity in VA. What is apples to apples is EA @ 0.42/kWh to Tesla at $0.30/kWh...so yes a 30% price higher than Tesla, who pays the same fee structure you yourself just highlighted...is as far as I'm concerened...high.Right. So people just assume EA is trying to make a bunch of money because they think EA pays a similar electrical rate as a residential customer. In many areas of the Country they're subject to large demand fees.
Gas stations make their $ from snacks, not gas. Why DCFC stations don't at least have vending machines (or taco trucks?) is beyond me. I think there's a huge opportunity for a fast food chain or grocery store to commit to DCFC at all their locations. Can you imagine if finding charging were as simple as hitting an In n Out?So in VA residential rates are $0.12/kWh. EA rates are $0.43/kWh or as a member $.31/kWh. I know that's not apples to apples as EA does not pay residential rates, but at over 3x residential rates, that's a little steep.
For ICE, average gas station owner gross is $0.10-0.15/gal of gas sold....that's before expenses. Yet right now everyone is screaming gas stations are gouging on prices...too funny.
Let's not forget how EA started and who owns them - VW due to the diesel scandal. And in a few years their obligation under court agreement goes away...
Dzm
So Tesla has a contract with WaWa - I don't think you CA folks know WaWa - but man it's nice here on the East Coast for highway travel. You just pull in, use the facilities, grab some food, wash the windows and head out in 20 mins.Gas stations make their $ from snacks, not gas. Why DCFC stations don't at least have vending machines (or taco trucks?) is beyond me. I think there's a huge opportunity for a fast food chain or grocery store to commit to DCFC at all their locations. Can you imagine if finding charging were as simple as hitting an In n Out?
Gas stations can amortize their costs over a LOT more customers + transactions.You point has nothing to do with the cost EA charges compared to a gas station. How much do you think it costs to build and maintain a gas station? Certainly more than 6 figures!! Don't you think they have to amortize the costs? Don't you think their costs to operate far exceed an unmanned electrical supply station? Tesla in VA charges about $0.30/kWh...so Yes EA is price gouging which was the point of this discussion at $0.42/kWh...if you're a member, it's on parity with competition.
Dzm
Tesla is running their network as a loss-leader to sell more cars. They're the Costco gas of EV charging. EA isn't being propped up by a single manufacturer. They're expected to build a profitable business on their own.Never said ^. In fact I said it's NOT apples to apples. I highlighted residential to show what actual costs are closer to for production and distribution of electricity in VA. What is apples to apples is EA @ 0.42/kWh to Tesla at $0.30/kWh...so yes a 30% price higher than Tesla, who pays the same fee structure you yourself just highlighted...is as far as I'm concerened...high.
That's the original supposition of this sub thread..." What makes you think EA is price gouging? "
Right, I wasn't assuming *you* were. Just that people do.Never said ^. In fact I said it's NOT apples to apples. I highlighted residential to show what actual costs are closer to for production and distribution of electricity in VA. What is apples to apples is EA @ 0.42/kWh to Tesla at $0.30/kWh...so yes a 30% price higher than Tesla, who pays the same fee structure you yourself just highlighted...is as far as I'm concerned...high.
That's the original supposition of this sub thread..." What makes you think EA is price gouging? "
Along that same line, and regardless of how people feel about Walmart, they sure figured it out.Gas stations make their $ from snacks, not gas. Why DCFC stations don't at least have vending machines (or taco trucks?) is beyond me. I think there's a huge opportunity for a fast food chain or grocery store to commit to DCFC at all their locations. Can you imagine if finding charging were as simple as hitting an In n Out?