Visited Atlanta Store Opening. Couldn't convince wife on R1S over Model X

[Autolycus]

Right. SC is definitely one of her reasoning as well.. She felt the car was little too lengthy? for her driving style.. and I told her that most 7 seater cars are that big.. (She drives Audi Q7 now), but R1S seemed a lot bigger in comparison, for some reason..

How many roadtrips are y'all going to be doing between when she gets a new car and when Rivian will have access to most superchargers next Spring?

The 2023 Q7 is 1.5" shorter than the R1S. With mirrors, they're the same width. The R1S is a decent amount taller in its higher modes.

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[Throwdown]

The r1s and r1t are awesome, but at the current price of a model X with the tax credits it's a steal

 

[DuoRivians]

The r1s and r1t are awesome, but at the current price of a model X with the tax credits it's a steal

Only 5 seater eligible

 

[Batman]

I'm sure there is another price drop coming on the Model X.....

Rivian will probably have to do the same for their R1T truck. I think all their current demand is in R1S suv

 

[MidnightRivian]

Model X is a solid minivan.

Some folks just prefer an egg shape small family hauler over the big boxy body on frame SUV.

Different strokes for different folks.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

Which, of course, it entirely subjective. I prefer the uncluttered interior of my Model Y, I prefer the UI, and I think they are a damn good looking car.

See? Subjective.

Not really. Quality materials are fairly universally accepted and there's a decent consensus for it. Most professional auto reviewers have said the same thing as I am.

It isn't as subjective as you think it is because you're comparing it to other cars. Compared to other cars at the price point Tesla's interiors and exteriors are cheap. That's objective.

 

[rhuber]

I am sorry for the cross post from another thread, but I gotta.... (also there is an additional note at the bottom now!)
original: https://www.rivianforums.com/forum/...lon-musk-discussions.18685/page-9#post-408793
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The Model X arrived with two leaks, one that was obvious (bird wing door, drivers side) and one that wasn't (rear quarter window wasn't sealed). The leak in the door was annoying and took two tries to fix. The leak in the rear quarter window wasn't found until it rained enough that the lower trunk filled with water. Once we took apart the rear, we found all the mold.

In 50,000 miles i had to have the front half shafts replaced twice. A design flaw Tesla still hasn't managed to fix, and doesn't even require hard acceleration to warp them. After 15-20,000 miles, they would vibrate badly. wash. rinse. repeat. I sold it before the warranty ended, luckily.

The manufacturer specs call for pretty aggressive rear camber. This, combined with the fact that you cannot rotate the tires, due to a staggered setup, means that the inner edge of the rear tires wears out aggressively quickly. (Bonus: I asked the service center to check the rears before a long road trip and they said everything was a-okay. Then I got a flat 1000 miles into our trip and realized there were cords showing on the inner edge of both rear tires.)

It is relatively inefficient at highway speeds. I was lucky to get 200 miles at 75mph, and this was with the more recent drivetrain and battery.

The cabin was loud. I do think this has been mostly fixed in the newer ones, but mine had so much wind noise at >70mph that I missed the comparatively serene cabin of my Honda Civic.

Towing. Now I know that towing is a stretch goal, but this thing was pretty laughably inept at towing. I towed a medium sized uhaul a few years ago, and had to stop every 100 miles. I even had to use a chademo adapter at EA to make it across a gap in New Mexico. If you plan to ever tow anything more than once, don't do it with this vehicle.

The chassis had an awful noise where the unibody was rubbing against itself at lower speeds. I fixed this with a hammer. Cool.

Fit and finish was ultimate meh.

I'm sure there is more, but I've probably blocked it out.

(note: I have a Model S plaid and have relatively few complaints about the build/performance of that vehicle, so I'm not just hating on Tesla for fun here. The Model X is a terrible product.)

(note2: a friend who bought their Model X the same month as I did, back in 2019, just had to get his battery pack replaced at 48,000 miles.)

 

[darren1f]

I'm sure there is another price drop coming on the Model X.....

Rivian will probably have to do the same for their R1T truck. I think all their current demand is in R1S suv

Tesla just raised the price of the Model X Plaid by $5k.

We own a '22 Model X and a new R1S. This is our 2nd Model X. The fit and finish of our '17 was typical for an American car, but the new one is in a different league entirely. The ride in the Tesla is superior to the R1S. So is the height for ingress and egress. Tesla's software is superior, as is the Supercharger network. I love the FWD and have never had any issues with them in either X. They function properly in our city parking garage and the garage in our home. They are ideal for kids and grandparents. I also love the austere minimalism of the interior. It's not better than the interior of the Rivian, just a very different approach.

That said, I have a long list of reasons that I love my R1S. The interior details, the off-road capabilities, the space, among others. But there shouldn't be any confusion as to why someone would choose a Model X.

 

[rhuber]

Tesla just raised the price of the Model X Plaid by $5k.

We own a '22 Model X and a new R1S. This is our 2nd Model X. The fit and finish of our '17 was typical for an American car, but the new one is in a different league entirely. The ride in the Tesla is superior to the R1S. So is the height for ingress and egress. Tesla's software is superior, as is the Supercharger network. I love the FWD and have never had any issues with them in either X. They function properly in our city parking garage and the garage in our home. They are ideal for kids and grandparents. I also love the austere minimalism of the interior. It's not better than the interior of the Rivian, just a very different approach.

That said, I have a long list of reasons that I love my R1S. The interior details, the off-road capabilities, the space, among others. But there shouldn't be any confusion as to why someone would choose a Model X.

Can't argue with subjective evidence that strong.

 

[Batman]

Tesla just raised the price of the Model X Plaid by $5k.

We own a '22 Model X and a new R1S. This is our 2nd Model X. The fit and finish of our '17 was typical for an American car, but the new one is in a different league entirely. The ride in the Tesla is superior to the R1S. So is the height for ingress and egress. Tesla's software is superior, as is the Supercharger network. I love the FWD and have never had any issues with them in either X. They function properly in our city parking garage and the garage in our home. They are ideal for kids and grandparents. I also love the austere minimalism of the interior. It's not better than the interior of the Rivian, just a very different approach.

That said, I have a long list of reasons that I love my R1S. The interior details, the off-road capabilities, the space, among others. But there shouldn't be any confusion as to why someone would choose a Model X.

I'm not doubting Model X or Tesla ability. Due to the current market conditions, Tesla has to drop prices to make up for rising interest rates and tighter pockets.

Them raising price on plaid, post Q3 earnings, means nothing. They can straight up drop the price another 10k in Jan.

I think the car prices are out of control. Covid jacked all this up but they need to return to pre covid levels. Model 3 and Y are so much more reasonable now and probably could go lower another 5k.

Rivian pre price hike is what it should be today. And by comparing Rivian prices to BMW/Land Rover doesn't make a case, they to need to come down pre covid levels.

I think the recession that we've been talking about for 2yrs needs to finally kick in and get it over with. This will bring down a lot of prices in all areas.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

Tesla just raised the price of the Model X Plaid by $5k.

We own a '22 Model X and a new R1S. This is our 2nd Model X. The fit and finish of our '17 was typical for an American car, but the new one is in a different league entirely. The ride in the Tesla is superior to the R1S. So is the height for ingress and egress. Tesla's software is superior, as is the Supercharger network. I love the FWD and have never had any issues with them in either X. They function properly in our city parking garage and the garage in our home. They are ideal for kids and grandparents. I also love the austere minimalism of the interior. It's not better than the interior of the Rivian, just a very different approach.

That said, I have a long list of reasons that I love my R1S. The interior details, the off-road capabilities, the space, among others. But there shouldn't be any confusion as to why someone would choose a Model X.

I think some of the model X being superior in your review is simply because its different than the Rivian. Those are areas that cannot really be compared because they are due to inherent functions of each vehicle. Like the entry and exit height and handling are direct functions of the X being more minivan in stance than the R1S being a true SUV.

I think software is a toss up personally as I found Tesla's too crowded and I didn't like the lack of overhead view with parking. I don't use a lot of automation though so I could see where someone could conclude the Tesla as better in that regard.

I agree that someone choosing an X isn't necessarily wrong simply because driving like a car could be more important to them than the ruggedness of the Rivian. They are too different for a down the line comparison.

 

[Davethadog]

good luck looking past the quality issues in Teslas. Go with your gut but check your gut thoroughly if it’s telling you to buy a Tesla.

 

[tosehee]

damn. I was not looking to trash Model X, but it seems to lean that way..

good luck looking past the quality issues in Teslas. Go with your gut but check your gut thoroughly if it’s telling you to buy a Tesla.

I am sold on R1S. but I may wait out until NACS are in place within R1S, so I can utilise the SC..

 

[iansriv]

My money! My choice! My sofa!

 

[iansriv]

damn. I was looking to trash Model X, but it seems to lean that way..


I am sold on R1S. but I may wait out until NACS are in place within R1S, so I can utilise the SC..

Was not aware that a physical NACS R1 update was necessary. Thought we could use adapters. Anyway, get what you like mate. If it's the X, then so be it.

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