Update: Your Max Pack Preorder - R1T’s Max Pack only available w/ Dual-Motor. Unavailable w/ Quad-Motor starting 2023

[staytuned]

Why not happy? I'm actually a bit upset that I didn't keep the max pack. I would take a dual motor max pack with $4500 off.

Exactly. If that config existed before my number was called, that's the truck I would've bought... slightly jealous of those who get the option.

guess everyone's different though

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[zefram47]

How much time until the quad motor drive is gone from all? They might be looking to squeeze out Bosch and insource their motors.

They've made no bones about wanting to move all the motors in-house. They already have the dual-motor Enduro setup testing in R1s and EDVs. What's blatantly obvious is they likely haven't even begun development of the quad-motor Enduro drivetrain, i.e. dual-motor drive units that are required for a quad-motor setup.

 

[Kaz]

Why not happy? I'm actually a bit upset that I didn't keep the max pack. I would take a dual motor max pack with $4500 off.

This sucks because they've now prioritized dual motor builds over the already promised and pre-sold quad-motors. ALso pissed because it sure seems like they're canceling our current order pricing (though I'll admit it's NOT clear, but sure feels that's where they're heading). It's one thing to be told to keep waiting, it's another thing to start bait switching and changing build priorities in front of what we have been told up till now.

 

[emoore]

This sucks because they've now prioritized dual motor builds over the already promised and pre-sold quad-motors. ALso pissed because it sure seems like they're canceling our current order pricing (though I'll admit it's NOT clear, but sure feels that's where they're heading). It's one thing to be told to keep waiting, it's another thing to start bait switching and changing build priorities in front of what we have been told up till now.

The email says they are prioritizing the pre march order max pack converts to the dual motor which is a good thing for max pack orders. The only thing you lose is two motors but gain $4500 and possibly an 800V system.

 

[zefram47]

The email says they are prioritizing the pre march order max pack converts to the dual motor which is a good thing for max pack orders. The only thing you lose is two motors but gain $4500 and possibly an 800V system.

And 235 hp and not insignificant performance metrics.

 

[emoore]

And 235 hp and not insignificant performance metrics.

Yep, if that stuff matters then its a bit of a bummer. So now you have to choose between max performance and max range. I see that as a fair trade.

 

[Kaz]

The email says they are prioritizing the pre march order max pack converts to the dual motor which is a good thing for max pack orders. The only thing you lose is two motors but gain $4500 and possibly an 800V system.

Like another person said, is this with lockers? It would have to be in order to keep its offroad prowess. I'm just getting tired of changes to the original order after endless delays. Might just swap to an R1S for the woman and move on. At this point, I don't want to give them the satisfaction of a low-priced pre-order being canceled. Just frustrated and flustered about this whole thing now.

 

[aex90832]

I am FUMING over this. We've been waiting multiple years to get the Max Pack-Quad Motor. We all gave them the benefit of the doubt for so much, me especially:
-Price increase (which they reneged on, but not really if you think about all of this other stuff)
-Removal of Powered Tonneau cover (indefinitely)
-Removal of the Camp Kitchen (indefinitely)

But now they force max pack to be dual motor only. They even have the balls to say they will reintroduce "later" at a yet-to-be-announced price (hint: HIGHER) as if this is some sort of "new" model, and not the one they announced 5 years ago.


So what are my options?
-Quad Motor -Large Pack without my Powered Tonneau cover, and camp Kitchen, and give up the extra range I need as a buffer for towing. We have a camper we like to take out and I'd love to

-Continue to wait well into 2024 for *maybe* the "enhanced" dual motor, and hope nothing else changes to the detriment of my order.

-Cancel my order and move on. This is seeming like the most attractive option at this point. But I feel like this is what they wanted. They obviously are loosing money and don't really want to commit to the pre March pricing.

 

[emoore]

I am FUMING over this. We've been waiting multiple years to get the Max Pack-Quad Motor. We all gave them the benefit of the doubt for so much, me especially:
-Price increase (which they reneged on, but not really if you think about all of this other stuff)
-Removal of Powered Tonneau cover (indefinitely)
-Removal of the Camp Kitchen (indefinitely)

But now they force max pack to be dual motor only. They even have the balls to say they will reintroduce "later" at a yet-to-be-announced price (hint: HIGHER) as if this is some sort of "new" model, and not the one they announced 5 years ago.


So what are my options?
-Quad Motor -Large Pack without my Powered Tonneau cover, and camp Kitchen, and give up the extra range I need as a buffer for towing. We have a camper we like to take out and I'd love to

-Continue to wait well into 2024 for *maybe* the "enhanced" dual motor, and hope nothing else changes to the detriment of my order.

-Cancel my order and move on. This is seeming like the most attractive option at this point. But I feel like this is what they wanted. They obviously are loosing money and don't really want to commit to the pre March pricing.

Sure those are the options. I'm guessing you have to have the quad motors and max pack? I guessed this would happen, I think they can't get that 12 battery module in there so the only way they get to near 400 miles is with the new motors and only 2 of them.

 

[SoCal Rob]

I'm probably going to end up bumping my max pack order over to an R1S, then bump my R1S to max pack+quad R1T once they open that back up.

I suspect that config will probably be the max pack range but with a 0-60 time better than the current quad + large. Hopefully with 800v architecture. Should be amazing.

 

[Trekkie]

So I'm trying to read this disappointment, but I had called this earlier when they started shitcanning all the features that made me want this vehicle (Kitchen with all the trimmings, tent and then all the options are gone and have to be bought extra, and now, the last remaining reason)

But the more I re-read it, the more it reads to me as

"we're putting out a 2 motor version of it, and it'll be cheaper and come out in 2023"

otherwise you wait until 2024 or later for a quad/max config.

They throw in the 11000 towing capacity because I bet money the quad motor couldn't do it, and when they do finally say what the quad motor is it won't do 11,000 pounds.

I'm at the 'fuck it, time to cancel and just get a 2023 Colorado ZR2'. I already bought a Land Rover Defender 110 knowing it'd be at least a year, now it's looking like more and more. I am wondering if Rivian is right for me at all anymore.

 

[GHuff]

* the email is unclear, can we still wait for a quad + max pack? Is that still planned for 2024?

I read the email as a hard "no". Pretty sure that was the entire point of the email.
" Quad-Motor + Max pack will not be selectable in the configurator beginning in early 2023. "

The email says pretty clearly that your options are either Max Pack and dual motor or quad motor large pack. Quad motor and Max Pack is just an idea at this time.

 

[aAlpine]

Seems like quad + max pack is dead (but of course YMMV with chat)

 

[aex90832]

Sure those are the options. I'm guessing you have to have the quad motors and max pack? I guessed this would happen, I think they can't get that 12 battery module in there so the only way they get to near 400 miles is with the new motors and only 2 of them.

I don't have to have anything. The problem is that we were sold on something that will never materialize. I could drop to the dual motor (which we know little about), but then I could've just bought a Lightning. Yes, less range, but so is the large pack, which I could've possibly have had for MANY months.

The opportunity cost calculations are infinite. I've passed on many cars because I foolishly gave Rivian the benefit of the doubt. Additionally, I didn't want to pay exorbitantly for a car I wouldn't be keeping once the Rivian arrived.

I feel this thread turning quickly to "pissed off, likely former Rivian pre-order holders"

 

[mkhuffman]

I totally understand why reservation holders are not happy with this announcement.

Personally, my next BEV must have 400+ miles of range, and finally, FINALLY, Rivian is at least living up to the 400 mile range promise.

I suspect this means they have reduced the size of the battery pack. It was going to be 180 kWh, right? They are trying to keep the 400 mile range promise by reducing the number of motors while also reducing the size of the max pack. Both changes reduce cost. I would have preferred they target a 420 mile range with a dual motor and 180 kWh pack.

So what about the removable roof?

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