Rivian Ruins My Uber Rider Rating

[Donald Stanfield]

What kind of hell do we live in where we are tiptoeing around Uber driver’s ratings of us? It’s literally a Black Mirror episode. The driver’s rating should be lowered if they cancel a ride they have already accepted. Uber is 100% trash.

This is a two sides to every story thing. As you know, people can be assholes. The rating system exists for the sort of people who throw up in a driver's car or start fights or yell and scream at the driver after being denied service unreasonably.

I agree that having to worry about being rated as a passenger is stupid but so are all the passengers who made it necessary in the first place. As usual a few dickheads ruin things for the rest of us.

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[Donald Stanfield]

Long roadtrips with the family is the use case for the Panamera. Just did a 2000 mile summer trip that would have been impractical with time for charging stops.

I drive a Panamera Turbo S e-hybrid, so its still faster than the maxed out Rivian R1S, 0-60, 1/4 mile, pick your metric, but not by enough that you would notice in normally daily driving. I've done 150 mph in the Panamera, I don't think I would try that in the Rivian.

Pros and cons to both and I'd recommend them both - Rivian is obviously much roomier, functional, and you don't have to worry about curb rash or opening your door into a curb when parking.

On the other hand the Porsche is got to be at least 15 decibels quieter on the highway, the interior materials / build quality is so much better, and (ahem) it has carplay.

The Porsche you're talking about is also over DOUBLE the price of the R1S. I think you really can't compare the cars simply for that reason, and the fact that you've done so with the Rivian only being marginally worse is a favorable comparison.

Personally I'll take slightly louder on the freeway and minus trash carplay and pocket the 150k difference.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

Not sure that is the case... I thought that the rider rating was done prior to the driver seeing any tip. Tip should not be a factor in rating the quality or behavior of the driver or rider. Otherwise, it is blackmail!

Search found this interview where Uber CEO says the tip is not know prior to rider rating...

Uber CEO reveals 4 ways to boost your rider ratings — and tipping isn't one of them

https://www.businessinsider.com/uber-ceo-boost-rider-rating-tips-tipping-2023-5#:~:text=Uber CEO Dara Khosrowshahi revealed,a Tuesday interview with CNBC.

Interesting. I guess it could go either way with the tipping then. I've never actually driven for Uber so I cannot say with certainty. We all know some CEOs like to lie to the public, but OTOH what he's saying could be true.

In my experience its probably the middle of those two things. Where the system is set up to not be able to see a tip but there's most likely a workaround like being able to edit your rating which would allow for what I'm talking about.

In fact I'm willing to bet that's the case based on the word choice of the CEO. He said that the driver cannot see a tip until after rating the passenger. He didn't say anything about that rating being locked in afterwards. So the CEO gets to make that quote for a news article and the drivers still get to use your rating system to call out bad tippers.

 

[IGR]

If I could lower someone's rating for misleading(click bait) title, I would...

 

[CommonSense]

The Porsche you're talking about is also over DOUBLE the price of the R1S. I think you really can't compare the cars simply for that reason, and the fact that you've done so with the Rivian only being marginally worse is a favorable comparison.

Personally I'll take slightly louder on the freeway and minus trash carplay and pocket the 150k difference.

You're right! If one could only have one car the Rivian is a no-brainer - it's the car I want for the coming zombie apocalypse.

I was answering the question of why I "still drive the Panamera" and gave my reasons for it, trying to keep them succinct and get in a wink about the carplay, which is a common Rivian owner complaint. For carving roads the Panamera is way more fun. For a roadtrip with multiple 800+ mile days it is way more practical.

I would really hate to see what you're going to say about my Aston Martin DB9 - the ground clearance is trash, the cargo space is horrible, there is no screen for the entertainment system, the rear legroom is insufficient for an 8 year old, the towing capacity is garbage. But it is undeniably beautiful and that V12 roar is life changing.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

You're right! If one could only have one car the Rivian is a no-brainer - it's the car I want for the coming zombie apocalypse.

I was answering the question of why I "still drive the Panamera" and gave my reasons for it, trying to keep them succinct and get in a wink about the carplay, which is a common Rivian owner complaint. For carving roads the Panamera is way more fun. For a roadtrip with multiple 800+ mile days it is way more practical.

I would really hate to see what you're going to say about my Aston Martin DB9 - the ground clearance is trash, the cargo space is horrible, there is no screen for the entertainment system, the rear legroom is insufficient for an 8 year old, the towing capacity is garbage. But it is undeniably beautiful and that V12 roar is life changing.

Woah. There's no need for the overly sensitive response. I'm sure those two are wonderful vehicles. They just aren't in the same class as Rivian's because Rivian is in a much lower pricing tier. So you really can't compare them. That's my only point.

I love the new DBX but I won't be buying one because I don't want to drop a quarter on one. Maybe your finances are as such that there isn't much practical difference between 95k and 250k but there is for me. I think those cars are great no doubt but I consider the price difference to be greater than the value difference.

Maybe your finances are such that there isn't much difference in spending between 95 and 250. For someone like Musk or Gates we are talking about there being little difference between these cars and a bus pass. That delta is different for everyone and for me personally, while I can afford that 250k dollar car the money difference is more important as the law of diminishing returns is in play with any car

After all for most people that's true with the Rivian or even EVs in general. They need a car to get places and a 20k dollar used Toyota does that almost as well as the Rivian does and the extra 60k isn't worth it to them. It doesn't make my choice wrong, but it doesn't mean my comparing the Rivian to their Toyota holds any real validity as they are different classes of automobile.

 

[Count Orlok]

Clearly the answer here is the OP needs to sue someone for being put upon by society.

 

[Dark-Fx]

For a second, I was hoping this would be about an Uber driver who drives their R1S around, and floors it every second they get. I mean, that would be kinda amazing and worth the bad Uber ratings!

Hey, that's a great idea. You could make a lot of money cleaning the vomit out of the upholstery.

 

[Dark-Fx]

I would really hate to see what you're going to say about my Aston Martin DB9

It's no DB12.

 

[CommonSense]

They just aren't in the same class as Rivian's because Rivian is in a much lower pricing tier. So you really can't compare them. That's my only point.

I get it, but what this is got us here :
Me: I've got a soft close on the porsche that is the opposite end of the spectrum from a rivian door
Reply: Why do you still drive a Porsche when the Rivian is X, Y, Z vs. the porsche?
Me: Because of 1,2,3.

The comparison was begged and I replied. It was in my context , where the relative cost difference is not that important. It's totally valid for me to compare why I have a Porsche as my car and the Rivian is my wife's car.

In other contexts, the comparison shouldn't be done. As soon as you say , "price matters" or "i have a budget", you can't really compare the two. (or you compare the Rivian to a Panamera 4S).

As a lifelong fan of Corvettes, I love comparisons of affordable vehicles to more exotic vehicles. Each generation of Corvettes have been inching closer and closer to the performance of a Ferrari at 1/5th the cost. Clearly the C8 isn't in the same 'class' as the F8 by price, but it's getting really interesting on the pure performance side of things...

And I think that was the spirit of the original reply to my post. The Rivian objectively delivers more performance than the equivalently priced Porsche and even rivals ones costing 2x as much. Looking thru the 'what was your car before the Rivian' thread , I'm not really not surprised that other Rivian owners have McLarens and SLRs. (but let's not give Rivian any fuel for another price increase).

 

[CommonSense]

It's no DB12.

100% true. I don't think I'll upgrade to a DB12 any time soon. The only reason I keep the DB9 is that its looks have aged well and it is a stick shift V12 - that's increasingly hard to get in any newer car.

 

[COdogman]

This is a two sides to every story thing. As you know, people can be assholes. The rating system exists for the sort of people who throw up in a driver's car or start fights or yell and scream at the driver after being denied service unreasonably.

I agree that having to worry about being rated as a passenger is stupid but so are all the passengers who made it necessary in the first place. As usual a few dickheads ruin things for the rest of us.

Oh I totally agree with that. Certain people have earned this with their behavior, and they honestly should be banned from the platform if they act like that. But drivers clearly are using it for purposes other than filtering out the worst.

It's at the point now where even if they deserve it we are afraid to give an Uber driver less than 5 stars because if we do then we know they will do the same to us and we will never be able to get a ride again.

It's just a cycle of insanity that somehow makes me long for the days of smelly taxis again

 

[PappaBolt]

The only real solution here is to follow the Chinese lead where every person has a national social rating that determines their freedoms. <sarcasm>

 

[Donald Stanfield]

Oh I totally agree with that. Certain people have earned this with their behavior, and they honestly should be banned from the platform if they act like that. But drivers clearly are using it for purposes other than filtering out the worst.

It's at the point now where even if they deserve it we are afraid to give an Uber driver less than 5 stars because if we do then we know they will do the same to us and we will never be able to get a ride again.

It's just a cycle of insanity that somehow makes me long for the days of smelly taxis again

Every time I've found myself having to use an uber I just use my employee's account. So if it gets tanked I'm all good lol. I only use it for business.

 

[s4wrxttcs]

For a second, I was hoping this would be about an Uber driver who drives their R1S around, and floors it every second they get. I mean, that would be kinda amazing and worth the bad Uber ratings!

That's the entire reason I clicked the link.

In most of Tesla Uber drivers the driver has leveraged the chill mode to keep things way too chill.

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