2024.51.0 spotted

[Zoidz]

You are supposed to say, “when I was programming we used only 1 and 0”. And then someone will point out “you had 0?”

well, when I was in college, our microprocessor engineering lab had a Z80 development system that was programmed with toggle switches representing each bit of the instruction and data word, load register, etc. so.......

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[Swezey]

I am with everyone else that I hope this update isn’t more features but latency reduction. I’m not a software guy, but I can imagine adding all the new features slows things down and they need to take some time to make things work more smoothly between menus and recognizing inputs.

Everyone who is saying they miss the days when this was prioritized in software should blame the public for it. Everyone spends the time bitching about not having this or that feature so Rivian does what they can to add as many features as they can. Stability and latency are not flashy and therefore people complain when that’s all they release.

Then it gets to a point where enough people recognize it needs to happen and they take an update cycle to make the necessary streamline adjustments. I hope we are reaching that point now.

Agree to disagree. I'm a software guy. Good luck trying to change public perception without changing how most companies now operate. It's more so about cutting costs and maximizing profits.

The UI isn't complicated and adding another menu or rearranging shouldn't bog down the system. When coded properly.

It's not hard to do the right thing and make quality software. Well, not if you have a board and shareholders to please. 🥲

 

[R1Tom]

You should test drive a Gen 2. Night and day difference in the accuracy and stability of on screen visuals. Especially with the most recent update

People's observations are making this all hard to decipher...

On one hand you are indicating G2 visuals are much improved.

Yet other poster with G2 says latency is a concern where my G1 works very well with minimal latency?

I thought the G2 processing power would have made the G2 super snappy in all aspects...but if G2 are observing latency issues and I am not in my G1....then it must be optimization issues...right? That some of what Rivian has done so far has been more optimized for G1 maybe?

I am just confused by the conflicting observations being reported.

 

[mpshizzle]

People's observations are making this all hard to decipher...

On one hand you are indicating G2 visuals are much improved.

Yet other poster with G2 says latency is a concern where my G1 works very well with minimal latency?

I thought the G2 processing power would have made the G2 super snappy in all aspects...but if G2 are observing latency issues and I am not in my G1....then it must be optimization issues...right? That some of what Rivian has done so far has been more optimized for G1 maybe?

I am just confused by the conflicting observations being reported.

I will send a video later so you can observe yourself.

But until then I will say this:
From everything I've been able to decipher they did not change anything in the infotainment computer. If you listen closely to the 9 hour long video from Kyle, the engineers spend a lot of time talking about the autonomy computer with the new Nvidia chips and almost nothing about the infotainment computer. The only mention is to say that it lives in the same enclosure as the autonomy computer. I've listened to and read a lot of content (but certainly not all) since then and it everything I've heard seems to jive with this.

My observation corroborates this too. In comparison to my buddy's G1 infotainment performance is maybe slightly better, sometimes. On the last update I've noticed a discernable drop in performance. Apps that haven't been open for a while take much longer to load, if I do the "two finger" thing on the unreal engine graphic while listening to Dolby Atmos tracks frames drop and audio starts cutting out, etc. The other day I was in the left turn lane at a traffic light and with the blind spot camera, Dolby Atmos, the stats view on the drive mode page, and nav all running at the same time, the driver's screen was dropping frames like crazy.

The visuals though are, indeed much more stable, and presumably driven by the new autonomy computer, not the infotainment computer.

Any difference in performance on the infotainment between generations I'd attribute to the vehicles being newer, with less cached data etc. rather than difference in hardware.

I could be wrong, they may have explicitly stated otherwise, but this is my understanding and observation

 

[iamnid]

I will send a video later so you can observe yourself.

But until then I will say this:
From everything I've been able to decipher they did not change anything in the infotainment computer. If you listen closely to the 9 hour long video from Kyle, the engineers spend a lot of time talking about the autonomy computer with the new Nvidia chips and almost nothing about the infotainment computer. The only mention is to say that it lives in the same enclosure as the autonomy computer. I've listened to and read a lot of content (but certainly not all) since then and it everything I've heard seems to jive with this.

My observation corroborates this too. In comparison to my buddy's G1 infotainment performance is maybe slightly better, sometimes. On the last update I've noticed a discernable drop in performance. Apps that haven't been open for a while take much longer to load, if I do the "two finger" thing on the unreal engine graphic while listening to Dolby Atmos tracks frames drop and audio starts cutting out, etc. The other day I was in the left turn lane at a traffic light and with the blind spot camera, Dolby Atmos, the stats view on the drive mode page, and nav all running at the same time, the driver's screen was dropping frames like crazy.

The visuals though are, indeed much more stable, and presumably driven by the new autonomy computer, not the infotainment computer.

Any difference in performance on the infotainment between generations I'd attribute to the vehicles being newer, with less cached data etc. rather than difference in hardware.

I could be wrong, they may have explicitly stated otherwise, but this is my understanding and observation

This is correct. In the recent video with Sandy Munro and one of the engineers - she addresses this and says that the compute power for the infotainment system is more or less the same in Gen 2 (21:35).

The major compute advancements are for the ADAS system.



That being said, I have a Gen 2 and have no experience whatsoever with Gen 1. Coming from a Tesla, the infotainment system in my R1S is definitely on the laggy side.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

I will send a video later so you can observe yourself.

But until then I will say this:
From everything I've been able to decipher they did not change anything in the infotainment computer. If you listen closely to the 9 hour long video from Kyle, the engineers spend a lot of time talking about the autonomy computer with the new Nvidia chips and almost nothing about the infotainment computer. The only mention is to say that it lives in the same enclosure as the autonomy computer. I've listened to and read a lot of content (but certainly not all) since then and it everything I've heard seems to jive with this.

My observation corroborates this too. In comparison to my buddy's G1 infotainment performance is maybe slightly better, sometimes. On the last update I've noticed a discernable drop in performance. Apps that haven't been open for a while take much longer to load, if I do the "two finger" thing on the unreal engine graphic while listening to Dolby Atmos tracks frames drop and audio starts cutting out, etc. The other day I was in the left turn lane at a traffic light and with the blind spot camera, Dolby Atmos, the stats view on the drive mode page, and nav all running at the same time, the driver's screen was dropping frames like crazy.

The visuals though are, indeed much more stable, and presumably driven by the new autonomy computer, not the infotainment computer.

Any difference in performance on the infotainment between generations I'd attribute to the vehicles being newer, with less cached data etc. rather than difference in hardware.

I could be wrong, they may have explicitly stated otherwise, but this is my understanding and observation

This is correct. In the recent video with Sandy Munro and one of the engineers - she addresses this and says that the compute power for the infotainment system is more or less the same in Gen 2 (21:35).

The major compute advancements are for the ADAS system.



That being said, I have a Gen 2 and have no experience whatsoever with Gen 1. Coming from a Tesla, the infotainment system in my R1S is definitely on the laggy side.

I think you two are onto something. From my observations having had a Rivian since Sept of ‘22 lag first got better to the point of being non existent and now every subsequent update seems to increase infotainment lag. Maybe they are adding too many features for the processor or the features aren’t added in an efficient way. I couldn’t say exactly why as software is not my area of expertise.

 

[AuntRivian]

This is correct. In the recent video with Sandy Munro and one of the engineers - she addresses this and says that the compute power for the infotainment system is more or less the same in Gen 2 (21:35).

The major compute advancements are for the ADAS system.



That being said, I have a Gen 2 and have no experience whatsoever with Gen 1. Coming from a Tesla, the infotainment system in my R1S is definitely on the laggy side.

Came here to say this. I'll add that I compared G1 to G2 in the showroom and they seemed identical. Now it's possible that recent updates have better optimized the G2 systems as a whole, since other than the infotainment board, everything else is different. I imagine the software varies quite a bit.

 

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

It’s a little baffling to me in this day and age of cheap ram that they are struggling with a smooth UI. And potentially offloading apps and such

back to topic of the thread, how to see release notes soon!!

Agreed on both counts. I try to consider that they probably laid out the initial designs for this hardware 6-7 years ago, when system requirements were lower. Shame we can't just pop in another module. Heck, even my printer supports doing that. I miss the efficient coding on my Commodore 64.

I'll leave with this:

 

[Zoidz]

Agreed on both counts. I try to consider that they probably laid out the initial designs for this hardware 6-7 years ago, when system requirements were lower. Shame we can't just pop in another module. Heck, even my printer supports doing that. I miss the efficient coding on my Commodore 64.

I'll leave with this:

 

[Rade]

Don't really care if they add more wind turbines to the screen graphics or the sound effect of a kiss for Valentines day. What I would LOVE to see is the ability to use a USB-C slot for media storage and playback through the audio system.

And hands free texting!

My 2019 Nissan had that. And little else!

 

[POLAR1S]

Oh you forgot Android Auto too! Second most requested feature.

Android Auto is the best because you can watch stuff on the big screen while driving.
People with iPhones don't know how good Androids are

 

[POLAR1S]

Don't really care if they add more wind turbines to the screen graphics or the sound effect of a kiss for Valentines day. What I would LOVE to see is the ability to use a USB-C slot for media storage and playback through the audio system.

And hands free texting!

My 2019 Nissan had that. And little else!

We're not in 2010 anymore bro. It's like going into an uber and asking, can i get the aux cable?

 

[VSG]

Fascinating. We're four pages into this thread and still nothing said on-topic to "2024.51.0 spotted".

 

[Ohm Boy]

Fascinating. We're four pages into this thread and still nothing said on-topic to "2024.51.0 spotted".

True!! So I’m wondering if it’s really spotted or in fact has stripes.

 

[Rividiculous]

FWIW, I picked up my R1S from the service center on Saturday and (in response to my sighing note that my drivecam was spotty) the Rivian rep helping me mentioned that he heard the next update would be focused on bug fixes and the like. So, here's hoping....

Now that they got the audio system fixed (mostly), I'm all for a timeout to work out the glitches and lag, etc.

But then back to MY wishlist, please! Where's valet mode???

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