2024.11.2 Software Update Released! => Release Notes: Send Navigation, Mapping, Charging Feedback/Scores + Rear Display Improvements + More

[HaveBlue]

True. BUT. Recognize that many networks, for example the Rivian Adventure Network and the Tesla Superchargers (Gasp!) also don't make their station availability data public.

This is not an EA issue per se. IMO ALL networks should be making their availability and pricing data public, because that would help ALL EV users.

They seem to make it available in the rivian app. Seems like all Internet connected stations show how many are available except for EA. My guess is Tesla publishes it to Ford's as well. So they don't keep it secret.

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[Zoidz]

Nice to hear the upgrades for rear display. Probably useful for R1S / big family types. Imo my dog doesn't even ride back there now, but maybe if I can get him to switch and take a turn at driving, I can check out the new features. ?

My dog has turned the interior lights on a couple of times while in the back, seats folded down.

 

[Zoidz]

I'm aware. Exactly what Rivian said too.

The thing is if this problem was your wife or your child, who happens to weigh about the same, and had an accident that ended up with a major head injury due to lack of airbag deployment, would you be singing the same tune...?

Rivian has said that the reason why the airbag would is disabled is due to the child carseat.

How would you feel if the airbag deployed and caused brain damage to your loved one when it hits them in the face due their short stature?

NHTSA tested this over several years with many crash test dummies and extensive analysis. I'm comfortable leaving it up to them to determine the risk/benefit curve of airbags vs. body weight/height/build, as opposed to my emotional opinions about my family. See airbag injuries below.

Who at Rivian said it was for child car seats? A guide or service tech, lol? My understanding is it's not primarily the child car seat (which NHTSA says should NEVER be in the front) it's the height and weight of the person in the front seat - smaller, shorter people are deemed at higher risk of airbag injury vs. impact injury.

The 10 most common airbag injuries include:

1. Facial injuries including bruising and fractures to the small bone due to the impact of the airbag
2. Chest injuries including heart injuries due to the impact of the airbag against the chest
3. Burns on the chest, hands, arms, or face when the fabric of the airbag moves along the skin
4. Fractures including to the skull, ribs, and wrist bones
5. Traumatic brain injuries
6. Eye injuries from chemical irritation or from the pressure of the airbag
7. Ear trauma, including hearing loss
8. Internal bleeding if organs are damaged by airbag deployment
9. Asthma attacks and other respiratory issues due to the chemicals involved in deployment
10. Injury to the fetus in pregnant women

 

[cabbey]

Oh wild. It’s almost like Rivian’s engineers were in the truck with us last weekend on our road trip. I had planned to send in a feature request when we got home next week that I call “the end of are we there yet?” To display trip progress on the rear screen. And here it is as the first bullet point in the list of improvements!

 

[SSteveEV]

Man, you all are hard to please! The rear display features were mentioned multiple times during the latest Rivian Responds, yet many here are complaining that this month's progress either wasn't enough or that they changed the rear display at all!

I have yet to ride in my backseat so my only rear screen feature request is an off button so I can drive an extra 1/100 of a mile on long road trips.

 

[VSG]

I understand what you are saying but from a data perspective I currently use Tune-In or Spotify, if they ad XM I will probably start using that instead of the other ones.

How does that change my data usage and what has Rivian given me that adds to their cost beyond what I currently have? Not being argumentative, just do not see where there is any additional cost for data usage at least from my use case.

Remember, as stated, this is just my opinion of what will be happening. I could always be wrong.

But the main point is that if Rivian gives us an XM app now and THEN starts to charge for data in a month or two or three, what do you think the reaction will be? I'm gonna say "not good".

So from a business/PR point of view, it's better to hold off on introducing XM, again IMO, until the premium services are rolled out, then bundle XM with that as an incentive to sign up. The premium services fee will also help pay for the cost of the development of the XM app.

A related point is that they can't continue to give away an ever-increasing amount of data and fund an ever-increasing number of third-party apps without monetizing it somehow. That's not sustainable. Likewise it has been part of the business plan since at least the S-1 to start monetizing these services. They have to draw the line somewhere, and I personally want Rivian to continue to provide critical services like navigation for free and look for revenue elsewhere.

 

[SSteveEV]

"Improved ride height adjustments to reduce the number of occasions that require the vehicle to raise before a drive."

I wonder if this will fix my pet peeve of not being able to bypass a ride height change when making drive mode changes if going to fast to change.

Re rating planning, I'm excited for that but I kinda hope there is an option to disable it too. One ChargePoint DCFC Plugshare has rated 2.2 near me was down for months so the rating tanked but now one works reliably (2nd still down).

 

[VSG]

They seem to make it available in the rivian app. Seems like all Internet connected stations show how many are available except for EA. My guess is Tesla publishes it to Ford's as well. So they don't keep it secret.

OK, do we have to discuss this again? There are so many threads about this and it's way off topic at this point ...

Look at PlugShare. EA charger status does NOT show up (just like it does not show up in the Rivian app/nav). Neither does Tesla supercharger status. Other networks DO show charger status. So what's your explanation? Because it's obvious that PlugShare wants to include charger status and DOES include charger status for many other networks, you would have to conclude that either PlugShare and Rivian software developers are all idiots and can't figure out how to use a simple API (they're not), or that EA/Tesla charger status is not publicly available.

Like I have said, it's clear that EA DOES HAVE AN API because that API is used by the EA app (yes, and the Ford nav). Likewise Tesla clearly has an API. But it's also clear that access to those APIs is restricted to certain parties that have an agreement with EA/Tesla. And if the data were free or unencumbered, then PlugShare and Rivian would use it - the fact that they don't means that there are some conditions attached to the data.

So with the Tesla agreement, Rivian now has access to Tesla charger locations, charger status, and charger pricing. That's not data everyone can get. Rivian still doesn't have EA charger status, because unlike Ford, Rivian doesn't have an agreement with EA. And PlugShare still doesn't have Tesla status.

Really, it would take any half-competent software developer about 10 minutes to write some code to access charger status if the API were open. I never said "secret" - we could all know exactly how to use the API but not be able to use it unless we had the proper digital credentials to access the data.

 

[RealBillNye]

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I don't see any more complaining on this thread than pretty much any thread, anywhere, about anything. Welcome to the interweb..

There, fixed it for you

 

[HaveBlue]

OK, do we have to discuss this again? There are so many threads about this and it's way off topic at this point ...

Look at PlugShare. EA charger status does NOT show up (just like it does not show up in the Rivian app/nav). Neither does Tesla supercharger status. Other networks DO show charger status. So what's your explanation? Because it's obvious that PlugShare wants to include charger status and DOES include charger status for many other networks, you would have to conclude that either PlugShare and Rivian software developers are all idiots and can't figure out how to use a simple API (they're not), or that EA/Tesla charger status is not publicly available.

Like I have said, it's clear that EA DOES HAVE AN API because that API is used by the EA app (yes, and the Ford nav). Likewise Tesla clearly has an API. But it's also clear that access to those APIs is restricted to certain parties that have an agreement with EA/Tesla. And if the data were free or unencumbered, then PlugShare and Rivian would use it - the fact that they don't means that there are some conditions attached to the data.

So with the Tesla agreement, Rivian now has access to Tesla charger locations, charger status, and charger pricing. That's not data everyone can get. Rivian still doesn't have EA charger status, because unlike Ford, Rivian doesn't have an agreement with EA. And PlugShare still doesn't have Tesla status.

Really, it would take any half-competent software developer about 10 minutes to write some code to access charger status if the API were open. I never said "secret" - we could all know exactly how to use the API but not be able to use it unless we had the proper digital credentials to access the data.

I think it's just using the ea app via car play or Android Auto in a Ford. Have you tried it? I don't have a Ford. I still don't see where a third party has successfully used their API despite EA being around for years and open to all cars. Meanwhile Tesla and rivian had no reason to expose theirs but they both seem able to at the flick of a switch when they open it to others. Just trying to understand why no one is subscribing to their API. My guess is because they charge for the privilege of using the API to get useful info and other evse providers want people to come to their stations so they provide it free. So we may not see a rivian update include ea status like what's now popped up for Tesla stations.

 

[beyondgravity]

Courtesy of RivianTrackr

https://riviantrackr.com/2024-11/

Software Update 2024.11
Charging Score

Now when you select a charging station in Navigation or in the Rivian mobile app 2.8.0 (or later), you’ll see a charging score based on key factors such as success rate and time it takes to start charging. Trip plans will automatically take these charging scores into account (where they’re available) to help you avoid sites with lower scores. You can also adjust your charging map filters to hide sites with low scores.

Send Navigation, Mapping, and Charging Feedback

Also in Navigation, you now have an option to send feedback to us on any navigation, mapping, and charging issues. Go to the feedback icon to submit your comments.

Rear Display Improvements

We updated the rear display with a new layout, and added more functionality that includes access to:

• Navigation trip progress
• Power outlet controls
• Media panel to view what’s currently playing and the ability to play or pause
• Rear vent and seat heat controls
• Hotspot connection
• Bluetooth connection
• Interior lights control

You can also now lock the rear display screen via a quick control in the center display.

Additional Improvements

• Improved Pet Comfort temperature control by increasing the amount of airflow in the cabin.
• Improved ride height adjustments to reduce the number of occasions that require the vehicle to raise before a drive.
• Infotainment:
  • Added new content to the Off-Road Driving section of the R1 Owner’s Guide with guidelines and tips to help you drive more safely and confidently off-road.
  • Fixed an issue that caused the center display to show the outlets timer numbers in the incorrect day or night theme.
  • Fixed a rare issue that caused the driver display to show an extra non-functional garage door option.
  • Fixed an intermittent issue that prevented playlists from displaying while media streamed over a Bluetooth connection.
  • Fixed a very rare issue that caused the Phone panel to crash and display a blank screen when the Bluetooth phone switcher or preset settings were repeatedly tapped.
• In Navigation, improved the swipe-down behavior of the turn-by-turn instruction panel to make it easier to open while driving.
• Fixed a rare issue that prevented Gear Guard from starting up and capturing video when the Motion Cam was turned on through the Rivian mobile app.
• Fixed a rare issue that disabled Hotspot.
• Fixed a rare issue that caused software package downloads to fail when the vehicle was connected to Wi-Fi.
• Fixed an issue that caused a charging session to stop earlier than expected when state of charge (SoC) limit was set to 50%.
• Fixed a rare issue during vehicle unlocking that prevented one or more of the door handles from presenting and mirrors from unfolding.

Rear display update! I am excited. My daughter will be also.

 

[mkg3]

How would you feel if the airbag deployed and caused brain damage to your loved one when it hits them in the face due their short stature?

NHTSA tested this over several years with many crash test dummies and extensive analysis. I'm comfortable leaving it up to them to determine the risk/benefit curve of airbags vs. body weight/height/build, as opposed to my emotional opinions about my family. See airbag injuries below.

Who at Rivian said it was for child car seats? A guide or service tech, lol? My understanding is it's not primarily the child car seat (which NHTSA says should NEVER be in the front) it's the height and weight of the person in the front seat - smaller, shorter people are deemed at higher risk of airbag injury vs. impact injury.

The 10 most common airbag injuries include:

1. Facial injuries including bruising and fractures to the small bone due to the impact of the airbag
2. Chest injuries including heart injuries due to the impact of the airbag against the chest
3. Burns on the chest, hands, arms, or face when the fabric of the airbag moves along the skin
4. Fractures including to the skull, ribs, and wrist bones
5. Traumatic brain injuries
6. Eye injuries from chemical irritation or from the pressure of the airbag
7. Ear trauma, including hearing loss
8. Internal bleeding if organs are damaged by airbag deployment
9. Asthma attacks and other respiratory issues due to the chemicals involved in deployment
10. Injury to the fetus in pregnant women

Just to clarify, your original response was 5% female at 4'-11", 108 lbs and this post assuming a short person. In our case, the wife is 5-3, or 40th percentile in height for female. She happens to be athletic, lean and well proportioned.

Short compared to majority, yes. Not so short that it's at the extremities of the bell curve. In other words, your list of airbag injuries are much less than someone compared to 5th percentile female.

I'm old enough to recall all the pros and cons for making the airbags required on all new vehicles in the 80's.. Now some 30~40 yrs since the requirement, there are mount of data that proves it saves lives and lessen injuries. Not perfect and is improving all the time.

Every person/service tech that I've spoken about this issue at Rivian has mentioned the child carseat as a reason. Perhaps it's their script. When mentioned that putting a child carseat in the front seat is advised against, they say just in case.

The problem is just with the passenger seat. When she drive the R1S, there is no issue. It's a good thing since it's her primary vehicle. This happens only when she is sitting in the passenger seat. We've even tried setting the passenger seat to essentially the same settings as her driving position to see if it helps - does not.

Thanks for your perspective. Again, Rivian has a small population of owners with this issue and they need to address it.

 

[beyondgravity]

I do appreciate the consistent updates... but come on Rivian.. you literally mentioned last summer about streaming options coming and what my wife wants the most.. cameras being activated when using blinkers. How are these things not released yet. You have a 360 degree view you can do, with cameras in the back while you drive.. but not cameras for blinkers..

As a minimalist, I am really hoping Rivian will delay as much as possible or give an option to choose - minimal or gazillion. So that I will have what I have now and maybe continue to be a responsive screen.

 

[Camodeo82]

How about fixing the airbags so my wife can be safe and use the controls!

 

[RivianMatt]

I like the rear screen improvements! Perfect for my 15 and 13 year olds.

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