My day-two review of the Comma 3X Self Driving Camera for Gen1 R1- Promising, but not ready for laymen.

[risingphoenix]

… and that’s what makes an airliner autopilot the perfect analogy, actually. I don’t want a situation where I don’t have ultimate control - keep the wings level, airspeed where I set it, and follow the route I give you. But I still maintain ultimate control, and any manual input transfers authority from the machine to me.

MADS is disconcerting to me as in when I make a manual input the car continues to do its own thing. Default mode in Sunnypilot does NOT disengage when pressing the brake, and in fact, on Rivian, offers basically no way to shut off except putting into offline mode or disconnecting the thing.

I realize I’m likely in the minority on this, but I’m really only after a driver assistant, and not turning over all responsibility.

Come on man, disengagement on brake is literally a button selection in settings. If having to change a setting is a deal breaker for you then you'll never be happy with a comma.

And with MADS on if you make a manual input the car absolutely does not continue to do its own thing - that's the huge advantage of MADS as implemented. It lets you move the car however you want at any time with nearly zero resistance. Seems like you have an agenda here that is not based upon reality and should really give up on OpenPilot and move to another option. It's not for everyone obviously.

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[dmurphy]

Come on man, disengagement on brake is literally a button selection in settings. If having to change a setting is a deal breaker for you then you'll never be happy with a comma.

And with MADS on if you make a manual input the car absolutely does not continue to do its own thing - that's the huge advantage of MADS as implemented. It lets you move the car however you want at any time with nearly zero resistance. Seems like you have an agenda here that is not based upon reality and should really give up on OpenPilot and move to another option. It's not for everyone obviously.

of course it’s an easy setting to change. But disengage on brake should 100% be the default. Shouldn’t be on the “can’t shut it off” setting out of the box. This is the fit and finish polishing SP/Comma need.

Easy fix of course but indicative of the science project nature.

I don’t have any agenda here and of course appreciate the hard work the dev teams are putting in. But I maintain that I want FULL control of the vehicle in an instant. Either it’s engaged, or not. I don’t like all-the-time assist. It’s just not a mode for me, that’s all. Really that simple.

 

[JM.]

MADS is disconcerting to me as in when I make a manual input the car continues to do its own thing.

It doesn't. It will resume doing its thing when you stop controlling it, but doesn't fight you. I've steered into a parking lot or onto a dirt road, let go, and then it will even mostly drive even in a parking lot. Shit, I let it drive me through the car wash. But you can move the wheel any time.

Tapping the brake turns off everything, anyway, like you would expect on any car.

 

[risingphoenix]

of course it’s an easy setting to change. But disengage on brake should 100% be the default. Shouldn’t be on the “can’t shut it off” setting out of the box. This is the fit and finish polishing SP/Comma need.

Easy fix of course but indicative of the science project nature.

I don’t have any agenda here and of course appreciate the hard work the dev teams are putting in. But I maintain that I want FULL control of the vehicle in an instant. Either it’s engaged, or not. I don’t like all-the-time assist. It’s just not a mode for me, that’s all. Really that simple.

Move on. OpenPilot is not for you.

 

[dmurphy]

Move on.

… no.

 

[risingphoenix]

… no.

Then stop whining about easily solvable issues or things that aren’t true.

 

[dmurphy]

Then stop whining about easily solvable issues or things that aren’t true.

Improvements not welcome. Got it.

 

[JM.]

I need to get my second harness installed, but feel so lazy today, and it's so damn hot right now. I guess I'll just stick around here for the purse-swinging instead.

 

[risingphoenix]

Improvements not welcome. Got it.

JFC I feel like I’m cosplaying Donald Stansfield here. How are you suggesting improvements for 1) something already with a user setting or 2) patently false?

 

[iansriv]

The driver. Always the driver.

That's the answer I was looking for. Thank you!

 

[dmurphy]

JFC I feel like I’m cosplaying Donald Stansfield here. How are you suggesting improvements for 1) something already with a user setting or 2) patently false?

if you don’t see why having a setting that - out of the box - can’t be shut off without unplugging the thing is a bad idea, I don’t know what else to say.

Just a simple default change is all I’m saying …. Of course it’s easy to fix - once you find the setting and change it. For which there’s no documentation.

look - the rapid development is awesome. It’s come a tremendous distance in a very short time. But back to my point, it’s not what I’d call polished and prime time ready. Lots of small things to be tuned and tweaked yet.

 

[gerrylum]

of course it’s an easy setting to change. But disengage on brake should 100% be the default.

It is currently the default for Rivians and Teslas on the latest builds of Sunnypilot.

 

[dmurphy]

It is currently the default for Rivians and Teslas on the latest builds of Sunnypilot.

excellent! Must’ve changed in the last couple days - I did a reinstall on Tuesday and it wasn’t set correctly then.

 

[iansriv]

The same person that's responsible if there is a system malfunction in the Rivian that causes an accident. If you're not comfortable using and monitoring an ADAS (regardless of vendor) you shouldn't engage it.

Who said I'm not comfortable? Using ADAS would be one of the least risky things I've done mate. I wanted to understand the nature of responsibility for a system malfunction. If your answer is that the driver is responsible for any accident then I have my answer.

 

[gerrylum]

excellent! Must’ve changed in the last couple days - I did a reinstall on Tuesday and it wasn’t set correctly then.

PR merged into master-new a week ago or so. https://github.com/sunnypilot/sunnypilot/pull/936

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