No Longer Wish to Use Tesla Supercharger Network

[DuoRivians]

I think his point is that canceling Tesla is like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

I’m conflicted on this issue, doing something that would directly harm the CEO is one thing. Boycotting a normal company could put stress on the board to take action against the CEO but Tesla has a board that is loyal to EM and would burn down the company before ousting him.

My opinion the best way to put EM in check is avoid twitter, lower the amount of exposure some of his insane rants get.

1. Make $tsla share price fall below Elon’s margin requirement, which I think is around $100.

2. Force Elon out

3. Tesla can perhaps move on without Elon. Not sure if the tipping point has past already

That’s the only viable path I see now. So, I will boycott anything about Tesla and amplify how bad the brand is until #1 happens.

side note: employees can find jobs elsewhere. Consumers don’t owe employees anything.

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[PaythePiper]

Everyone loved Musk before politics. Everyone loved Trump before politics. Seeing a trend? Meanwhile Nancy Pelosi makes $200k/year and is worth 220 million and nobody bats any eye. ?

 

[10BladeDad]

I have an R1S and absolutely love it. I usually charge at home, but this fall took a girls road trip and subscribed to the Tesla Charger network for a month only. I didn't want to mess around looking for chargers like I do when it is just my husband and me. It totally paid for itself the first day.

I know a lot of people don't care for Elon. All I can say is that EV's, the North America charging network, feeling like you can have independence from foreign oil, and feeling like you are not adding to air pollution would not be the same if he hadn't been born. I am glad he moved forward with his idea (and other ideas he has had) as if he hadn't I am sure I wouldn't have my EV road trip options that I have now. 20 years ago, my prediction was that everyone would be driving hydrogen powered vehicles...

FYI...Tesla/EVs wasn't the brainchild of EM. However, his $40M investment in 2008, along with a 2009 Obama Admin. DOE $465M loan kept the company afloat. See https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/061915/story-behind-teslas-success.asp

 

[COdogman]

Everyone loved Musk before politics. Everyone loved Trump before politics. Seeing a trend? Meanwhile Nancy Pelosi makes $200k/year and is worth 220 million and nobody bats any eye. ?

Yeah, no one ever talks about Nancy Pelosi.

 

[SASSquatch]

@JeromePowell

From one federal worker to another - EM and Tesla can F***k all the way off.

While I'm waiting for the R3/R3x I will be using EA charging since my other EV right now is a GV60 and Genesis gave me 3 years of unlimited 30 minute charging sessions.

EA has been absolute ? ? historically but the last few years they've gotten better. I can charge from 10-80% on a 350 kW EA charger in 18 minutes. Even if I was paying, Tesla doesn't have more than a handful of V4 chargers that can leverage the 800v architecture of the GV60 and now that everybody and their Chevy Bolt is charging on the SCN, I'm not incentivized to deal with the chaos.

Stay strong brother.

 

[SANZC02]

1. Make $tsla share price fall below Elon’s margin requirement, which I think is around $100.

2. Force Elon out

3. Tesla can perhaps move on without Elon. Not sure if the tipping point has past already

That’s the only viable path I see now. So, I will boycott anything about Tesla and amplify how bad the brand is until #1 happens.

side note: employees can find jobs elsewhere. Consumers don’t owe employees anything.

Number 1 is kind of happening, stock is coming down over the last few weeks. Hoping it continues the trend overtime at a slow pace so people can get out without blowing things up. Problem is Tesla stock has always been trading at crazy P/E, more like a meme stock than a company.

Number 2, as I alluded to, the board is supposed to be there for the best interest of the company and shareholders. They are not and just rubber stamp what EM says and will not remove him. Sound familiar…?

Number 3, who knows, it is a decent product, one ugly duckling excluded with good people, I think with a different CEO and board they could do well.

As for the employees, as I stated before, more about the economic impact than individual employees. Who knows, the economic impact of a Tesla downfall could be the least of our concerns over the next couple of years. First inflation report ticked up, many analyst seeing signs of the bull market slowing.

I’ll stop there, don’t want to start ranting, not the forum for it.

 

[10BladeDad]

Everyone loved Musk before politics. Everyone loved Trump before politics. Seeing a trend? Meanwhile Nancy Pelosi makes $200k/year and is worth 220 million and nobody bats any eye. ?

Who is 'everyone'? Growing up in NJ, I've always known ConFelon Orange to be a racist crook(housing discrimination, not paying workers, etc.). With respect to Pelosi or <insert name of GOP member of Congress>, no sitting member(or immediate family) of Congress SHOULD EVER be allowed to invest in companies lobbying the federal govt. Although EM comes from S. African apartheid-enriched emerald mining magnate $$$, I gave him benefit of doubt till he showed otherwise. Well, he showed otherwise.

 

[Zoidz]

Everyone loved Musk before politics. Everyone loved Trump before politics.

Everyone?

There are plenty of people who have disliked Musk for 10+ years, and disliked Trump for 25+ plus years.

 

[DayTripping]

I think the same could be true about a lot of politicians but I am tired of politics permeating my life. I want gov't as minimally involved in my life as possible. I worked on a ton of gov't projects and most are inefficient uses of money.

The amount of wasteful programs is incredible and gov't exists typically just for governments own benefit.

DC charging will never be as cheap as at home and it is only for convenience. You ALWAYS pay for convenience. If you don't like the product, don't buy it. I know if I go to a Tesla charger, there is a 99.9% chance it is going to work unless some dipwad cut the cables.

The debt went up about $8 trillion dollars over the last 4 years. Somebody needs to take a chainsaw to the wasteful gov't spending. If that is Elon, Trump, Nancy Pelosi, or Mitch the Turtle McConnell, I don't give AF. Problem is almost no politician is willing to do it. So kudos for someone actually trying to reign in spending. Will they make mistakes, likely, but overall it could be good for the US. I am tired of us borrowing money from China to support our spending. We don't have a problem with income, we have a problem with expenditures.

Can someone here who hates Trump or Musk tell me why we should borrow money from China to fund birth control in some foreign country instead of spending that money on our own veterans and homeless people? Someone needs to go line by line and see if what we are spending on is in our direct national interest and priorities Americans, people legally here, and the close friends of America in that order. While at it, prevent any gov't employee from investing in individual stocks, bonds or securities while in office.

Prevent them every going to work for a company that may deal with any federal or local contracts for at least 10 years after leaving public service. Make sure ANY public official has to post their entire tax returns, including all schedules within 30 days of filing them. Audit their returns as least once every 4 years. Add term limits as the icing on the cake. No more career politicians.

Make strict guidelines on public projects that if they aren't completed, or on track (within a reasonable amount of time) you pull the funds from them. Where did all the money go for the public chargers that were supposed to be built? I know it takes time from permitting through turn up, but still seems like another waste of money that I'd fully support if it was managed efficiently.

So I am still in the Elon camp for his network. For coverage, reliability and usability, nobody is even close. I'll take the NACS port over CCS any day. Elon isn't Hitler nor is he the second coming of the Messiah. There is just way too much political bias and things are never black and white. The problem with Trump and Elon for most people is they are unfiltered unlike so many polished politicians that say a lot, but mean nothing or have such a word salad answer, you have no idea what they meant.

 

[TCapri]

FYI...Tesla/EVs wasn't the brainchild of EM. However, his $40M investment in 2008, along with a 2009 Obama Admin. DOE $465M loan kept the company afloat. See https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/061915/story-behind-teslas-success.asp

Thanks for that. I hadn't investigated the early start of Tesla before.

Regarding the initial question, Tesla Network chargers, according to this article, in 2012, under Musk as CEO is when the charging network started becoming a reality. https://www.britannica.com/money/Tesla-Motors

So IMHO, thankfully the Tesla charging network is available for me as a Rivian owner at this point as it makes life easier if I don't want to use too much mental energy on a road trip. If Elon wouldn't have been CEO, would the charging network gotten off the ground? Tesla chargers were well established before others jumped in, ie EVGO, Electrify America. If the risk hadn't been taken in 2012, would we be where we are today?

Like I said earlier, I was waiting for hydrogen powered vehicles to be the wave of the future 20-25 years ago when Daimler was testing buses in Europe and there were some cities in California whose workers were driving hydrogen fueled cars, but noting ever came of it for the general population. The only way I could have bought a fuel cell car was if I bought in CA, where they do, or did have, fuel cell charging stations, but then there is no place to refuel in Oregon so of course that wouldn't have worked. Was it that there was no one taking the initiative to get this off the ground?

But I love my R1S so have zero complaints.

 

[mudito]

Somebody needs to take a chainsaw to the wasteful gov't spending.

Somebody likes my president Javier Milei ???

 

[JeromePowell]

@JeromePowell

From one federal worker to another - EM and Tesla can F***k all the way off.

While I'm waiting for the R3/R3x I will be using EA charging since my other EV right now is a GV60 and Genesis gave me 3 years of unlimited 30 minute charging sessions.

EA has been absolute ? ? historically but the last few years they've gotten better. I can charge from 10-80% on a 350 kW EA charger in 18 minutes. Even if I was paying, Tesla doesn't have more than a handful of V4 chargers that can leverage the 800v architecture of the GV60 and now that everybody and their Chevy Bolt is charging on the SCN, I'm not incentivized to deal with the chaos.

Stay strong brother.

@SASSquatch

Thanks and right back at you!

I normally do not post anything really personal or emotional, however, like you and so many others these massive changes are hurting many people and if we are honest, people will die due to first, second, and even third order effects of DOGE actions.

I will stick to EVgo, RAN, and even EA as well.

Wishing you, your family, and colleagues the very best. It is easier said than done, but we really can only focus on what we can control and try to let the rest roll-off our backs.

Your post as well as others have really helped my sanity in this chaotic time.

Have a good one!

 

[COdogman]

Wait so 150 yr olds that were getting the social security I keep being told I won’t get is bad? Lol

blows my mind people are upset that Doge is finding this stuff. And those same people? Voted for a vegetable brain that let in 12 million illegals.
Can’t we just talk about cool EVs and how to charge them without being divided? Shit bums me out

Finding what? No evidence has been provided, only “press conferences” and tweets from 2 known liars and con men. The question Is why are you so easily fooled by those lies? And here you are calling someone else “vegetable brain”

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwyjz24ne85o

Social security payments for 150-year-olds?
Social security provides a base income for people in the US who are either retired or can't work because of a disability. It covers about 67 million Americans.
Regarding the programme, Musk said: "There's crazy things… cross re-examination of Social Security, and we've got people in there that are 150 years old." He did not provide evidence of this.
BBC Verify has been unable to find specific evidence for the claim - although we don't have access to all the US social security data that Musk has been granted.
"I think they're probably dead… and then there's a whole bunch of social security payments where there's no identifying information," Musk added.
There have been previous reports which have identified tens of billions of dollars of fraud in social security payments - but we have found no specific evidence of 150-year-olds claiming benefits.

 

[RivianRiverRat]

Voted for a vegetable brain that let in 12 million illegals.
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[Zoidz]

Can someone here who hates Trump or Musk tell me why we should borrow money from China to fund birth control in some foreign country instead of spending that money on our own veterans and homeless people? Someone needs to go line by line and see if what we are spending on is in our direct national interest and priorities Americans, people legally here, and the close friends of America in that order. While at it, prevent any gov't employee from investing in individual stocks, bonds or securities while in office.

Why are you and so many others automatically associating a dislike of Trump with politics and being against cutting spending, balancing the budget, shrinking the government, keeping the money at home, etc? My dislike of Trump goes back to the 80s and 90s when he ripped off HUNDREDS of companies and people in Atlantic City and the greater Philadelphia area. Working in the Philadelphia area, I personally knew employees of contractors that worked on Trump's Casino projects. He screwed more than 200 contractors out of over $72 million. Contractors went out of business because of Trump.

Edit: here is proof of just half of it, this goes way back before politics.

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