Driver+ tried to put me in the wall today!

[kizamybute']

Felt like Rowdy Burns was on my inside!......

If you don't get the reference, then you're much younger than I am!! LOL!

I previously praised the Driver+ lane keeping ability. And for the most part, it has generally been pretty good. But, several others posted issues that they've had with it. Today's experience, demonstrates what they were talking about.

After years of experience with the Tesla system, I learned, never rely too heavily on it. Never take it for granted. As good as it is, it can make some serious mistakes at the worst possible moments without any notice. I always preach with these things, please, please, please, ALWAYS PAY VERY CLOSE ATTENTION.

Some of these systems get too good and make it very easy to get lulled into a sense of comfort. But just when you think it's improved, it can very rudely remind you that these systems are still very much in their infancy phases and still in development.

Today's incident was a bit of a surprise. Was in the fast lane on the freeway with only the wall next to me on the left. Freeway was curving ever so slightly to the left. The truck all of sudden tried to make a hard left. Was certainly far too close for comfort for me. While my hands were already on the wheel and I was ready, already being close to the wall as it was, there wasn't a lot of margin for error. I caught it in time, but did certainly put a scare into me as it was so unexpected.

Based on this experience, I'll not be using it any more in the far left lane when there's no shoulder. Will much prefer to have that extra margin for error. Love the capabilities and the fact that we even have such systems. But, today was just another reminder of how dangerous they can be if you don't pay very close attention at all times. NEVER, EVER, EVER take them for granted or allow yourself to get distracted. It could be the last thing you do.

Will still happily use the feature, just going to do so in situations where there is more margin for error.

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[ccmun]

Sorry to hear that man. Totally agree with you. It why we still have airline pilots on aircraft that can virtually fly themselves.

 

[SANZC02]

Felt like Rowdy Burns was on my inside!......

If you don't get the reference, then you're much younger than I am!! LOL!

I previously praised the Driver+ lane keeping ability. And for the most part, it has generally been pretty good. But, several others posted issues that they've had with it. Today's experience, demonstrates what they were talking about.

After years of experience with the Tesla system, I learned, never rely too heavily on it. Never take it for granted. As good as it is, it can make some serious mistakes at the worst possible moments without any notice. I always preach with these things, please, please, please, ALWAYS PAY VERY CLOSE ATTENTION.

Some of these systems get too good and make it very easy to get lulled into a sense of comfort. But just when you think it's improved, it can very rudely remind you that these systems are still very much in their infancy phases and still in development.

Today's incident was a bit of a surprise. Was in the fast lane on the freeway with only the wall next to me on the left. Freeway was curving ever so slightly to the left. The truck all of sudden tried to make a hard left. Was certainly far too close for comfort for me. While my hands were already on the wheel and I was ready, already being close to the wall as it was, there wasn't a lot of margin for error. I caught it in time, but did certainly put a scare into me as it was so unexpected.

Based on this experience, I'll not be using it any more in the far left lane when there's no shoulder. Will much prefer to have that extra margin for error. Love the capabilities and the fact that we even have such systems. But, today was just another reminder of how dangerous they can be if you don't pay very close attention at all times. NEVER, EVER, EVER take them for granted or allow yourself to get distracted. It could be the last thing you do.

Will still happily use the feature, just going to do so in situations where there is more margin for error.

I never use Tesla autopilot if there is not a buffer between walls or guardrails. I’m sure I will be the same with the R1S.

 

[Riviot]

Are you talking about Highway Assist or Lane Keep Assist? As noted elsewhere, having LKA active with Highway Assist seems to cause a lot of bouncing and uncertainty. Many of us have learned to deactivate LKA and only use Highway Assist. While not perfect, it prevents the jerky motions.

 

[kizamybute']

Are you talking about Highway Assist or Lane Keep Assist? As noted elsewhere, having LKA active with Highway Assist seems to cause a lot of bouncing and uncertainty. Many of us have learned to deactivate LKA and only use Highway Assist. While not perfect, it prevents the jerky motions.

Lane keep assist is a correction feature. The truck will jerk the truck back toward your lane if it feels you going out of the lane without a blinker. I'm still debating on whether to keep the feature on as it does kind of get on my nerves sometimes. There are times when you need to cross the line. When its the center line with an island turn lane area, I don't put on my left blinker to slightly edge over to avoid a car, an object or whatever reason there may be that it's necessary to cross the line on occasion. Yes, a bit annoying when I'm smoothly doing what I want to do and I get this rude jerk back to the right and have to fight it to stay where I was intending to go. It is a bit stronger than I would like, meaning takes more force to fight it than it probably should.

Anyway, the incident I noted in the OP is using the Driver+ driver assist feature. The one where the icon presents itself next to the speedometer, when it's available and the one where you double tap the shifter stalk down to engage. The lane correction is a setting feature that is just there and does what it wants when it wants to, assuming you enabled the feature in your settings. As noted, I'm considering turning it off until it improves a bit.

The Driver+, the one that you purposely engage each time you want to use it, for the most part, does a very good job at keeping centered in the lane. I haven't hardly had any issues with it. One time it didn't recognize that the lane ended and wanted to continue straight into a wall. Feel like it should have seen it, despite the "mapped road" telling it there's supposed to be a lane there (lane was closed off for construction). Today was the first it did something besides just following the lane. It must have thought it saw the lane line move to the left and tried to swerve to correct itself (my only guess). ???

I try to mentally keep track of these spots and try them again next time I'm there, to see if it was a one-off situation or something that the truck just handles incorrectly.

 

[Riviot]

Lane keep assist is a correction feature. The truck will jerk the truck back toward your lane if it feels you going out of the lane without a blinker. I'm still debating on whether to keep the feature on as it does kind of get on my nerves sometimes. There are times when you need to cross the line. When its the center line with an island turn lane area, I don't put on my left blinker to slightly edge over to avoid a car, an object or whatever reason there may be that it's necessary to cross the line on occasion. Yes, a bit annoying when I'm smoothly doing what I want to do and I get this rude jerk back to the right and have to fight it to stay where I was intending to go. It is a bit stronger than I would like, meaning takes more force to fight it than it probably should.

Anyway, the incident I noted in the OP is using the Driver+ driver assist feature. The one where the icon presents itself next to the speedometer, when it's available and the one where you double tap the shifter stalk down to engage. The lane correction is a setting feature that is just there and does what it wants when it wants to, assuming you enabled the feature in your settings. As noted, I'm considering turning it off until it improves a bit.

The Driver+, the one that you purposely engage each time you want to use it, for the most part, does a very good job at keeping centered in the lane. I haven't hardly had any issues with it. One time it didn't recognize that the lane ended and wanted to continue straight into a wall. Feel like it should have seen it, despite the "mapped road" telling it there's supposed to be a lane there (lane was closed off for construction). Today was the first it did something besides just following the lane. It must have thought it saw the lane line move to the left and tried to swerve to correct itself (my only guess). ???

I try to mentally keep track of these spots and try them again next time I'm there, to see if it was a one-off situation or something that the truck just handles incorrectly.

I'm well aware of the difference systems. LKA will still work on the highway whether Highway Assist is active or not. They use different sensors and systems onboard. It's this conflict that has caused a lot of sharp corrections. A lot of us have tested our commute routes with and without, LKA clearly affects Highway Assist in a negative manner.

 

[kizamybute']

I'm well aware of the difference systems. LKA will still work on the highway whether Highway Assist is active or not. They use different sensors and systems onboard. It's this conflict that has caused a lot of sharp corrections. A lot of us have tested our commute routes with and without, LKA clearly affects Highway Assist in a negative manner.

Sorry, wasn't trying to say you weren't aware. I was more thinking out loud. My initial reaction to your reply was "wait, what's the difference?" I had to dig into my memory to realize what you were talking about and then remembering the two separate functions. I had forgotten about the lane keep assist feature in the settings until I started talking about it, then it came back to me.

 

[SeaGeo]

Please Submit a service ticket to Rivian so they can try and track it down.

Hitting the flashers for a second creates a log point for them to look at as well.

 

[Mark_AZR1T]

Probably your new fancy wheel setup .......

 

[Dark-Fx]

I haven't experienced this yet in the Rivian, but if it's jerking the wheel like that it's attempting to avoid a collision with an object. Whether or not an object is there is between you and the Rivian to know.

 

[Max]

This is not the first report of it. For me it is a binary thing. Either I can trust it or I can not. I am not going to use my family’s life as a part of an experiment. I probably will leave driver minus off for at least a few years when I get mine.

 

[Riviot]

Probably your new fancy wheel setup .......

 

[SASSquatch]

Sorry to hear that man. Totally agree with you. It why we still have airline pilots on aircraft that can virtually fly themselves.

While I agree with your comments in principle, I will challenge you on the plane analogy. Modern aircraft have sophisticated autopilot features that not only can fly the plane when it reaches cruising altitude but can also take off and land in emergency situations. Pilots spend a significant amount of their flight time in autopilot because it has been shown to be safe and effective over millions of flight hours.

Airplanes aren't a great analogy as FAA requires 3 miles of separation and there are no "walls" in the sky to run into.

Personally, I would never fully trust autopilot in vehicles because the technology simply isn't there yet. Nearly all accidents occur because of operator (human error). The human brain is capable of 63 quintillion operations per second, which as of a ~ decade ago, constituted all known computing power worldwide. It's also the most efficient information processor ever conceived and can be powered by a ham sandwich and a glass of milk.

We've made strides since then in computer vision, neural networks, and power efficiency but it is light years away from replicating the human brain.

Keep your attention on the road, hands on the wheel, and keep those fingers away from your phone and you'll do fine.

 

[Rivian_Hugh_III]

The human brain is capable of 63 quintillion operations per second, which as of a ~ decade ago, constituted all known computing power worldwide. It's also the most efficient information processor ever conceived and can be powered by a ham sandwich and a glass of milk.

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[Max]

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