Which ADAS is Really Driving? It’s Mobileye!

[portdirect]

Idk, I have heard this a couple of times but I still have not really seen any evidence of it. Based on the wording in the following video, it sure doesn't seem like it is there. She mentions that there was a mobileye camera in the Gen1 vehicle and points off screen to the wall of ECUs and then says it is all consolidated into the one board. If you look at the board, I don't see anything that looks like it would be mobileye chip...I only see the two nvidia chips. And there is no camera on the wall for the gen2 vehicle. So if it is there, they are hiding it.

She also states in that video how well the apple watch is working (sorry - could not resist the snark), and as I pointed out earlier does not once actually mention the system being used for ADAS, just data collection.

I also think that if Rivian were using their own software for HighwayAssit right now, they would have made a much bigger deal of it than they have. Considering the way they market everything else they do, I would have expected some (any?) material about their model sizes, control loops etc. The silence here is loud.

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[aethervisor]

Don't tempt me with a good time

Another datapoint: Here is an interview with RJ talking about Mobileye in Gen1 and how they are moving away from it for Gen2. I was trying to see if he ever says a camera number in regards to how many custom designed cameras they have since maybe he would say one less camera than is actually on the car lol. But all he says is the usual "55 megapixel". At around 27:00 the interviewer straight up asks him "No Mobileye?" and he says they are moving away. Which I could agree is interesting wording and also his reaction kinda seems like he is trying to not give away that they are using it still lol

 

[aethervisor]

Another datapoint: Here is an interview with RJ talking about Mobileye in Gen1 and how they are moving away from it for Gen2. I was trying to see if he ever says a camera number in regards to how many custom designed cameras they have since maybe he would say one less camera than is actually on the car lol. But all he says is the usual "55 megapixel". At around 27:00 the interviewer straight up asks him "No Mobileye?" and he says they are moving away. Which I could agree is interesting wording and also his reaction kinda seems like he is trying to not give away that they are using it still lol

Here we go!

Rivian introduced a zonal architecture for its electrical hardware with the release of our second generation R1 vehicles in June 2024. This allowed Rivian to reduce the number of electrical control units (ECUs) on its second-generation R1 vehicle from 17 to just 7 and to remove 1.6 miles of wiring from each vehicle. In addition, the new platform has 11 cameras with a total of 55 megapixels for real-time imaging and triple the AI compute power on the infotainment computer.


https://stories.rivian.com/2024-investor-day

So what is that?
Three up front.
One surround up front
Three in Each Mirror
Rear
Interior Camera
So 12. So are they excluding the interior or the Mobileye lol

 

[aethervisor]

I know I am spamming, but here is a very interesting document that shows what they call each camera and the calibration process. They call the three up front "Long range, wide angle, and forward facing" which is pretty similar names to what Tesla called theirs when they were using three cameras for HW3.
https://rts.i-car.com/images/pdf/oem-info/rivian/position-statements/71346.pdf

 

[mpshizzle]

So 12. So are they excluding the interior or the Mobileye lol

It appears so! And that would make sense, as it's technically not part of their autonomy system

 

[aethervisor]

It appears so! And that would make sense, as it's technically not part of their autonomy system

We need someone to get access to this portal so we can see the parts catalog and service manual!

https://rts.i-car.com/crn-2158.html

 

[pamalabama]

She also states in that video how well the apple watch is working (sorry - could not resist the snark), and as I pointed out earlier does not once actually mention the system being used for ADAS, just data collection.

I also think that if Rivian were using their own software for HighwayAssit right now, they would have made a much bigger deal of it than they have. Considering the way they market everything else they do, I would have expected some (any?) material about their model sizes, control loops etc. The silence here is loud.

Rivian might not be doing AI for their self driving. You might not have the control to do level 3 driving.

 

[captainjp]

Rivian might not be doing AI for their self driving. You might not have the control to do level 3 driving.

Lol

 

[pamalabama]

Lol

Might very well be true. For level 3 you need to impose speed caps and also detect a lead car from a reasonable distance.

Tesla FSD E2E has about the least control you can imagine. It drives one speed and you have to accept the speed it drives. Turning on the turn signal does not even cause the car to change lanes anymore.

Level 3 will only be on premapped roads, no lane changes, with a lead car in perfect weather. That's not a hard problem to solve.

 

[captainjp]

Might very well be true. For level 3 you need to impose speed caps and also detect a lead car from a reasonable distance.

Tesla FSD E2E has about the least control you can imagine. It drives one speed and you have to accept the speed it drives. Turning on the turn signal does not even cause the car to change lanes anymore.

Level 3 will only be on premapped roads, no lane changes, with a lead car in perfect weather. That's not a hard problem to solve.

Lol

 

[Zoidz]

This is quite distressing. Where I live for the moment there are no good unlimited data options and my cap is 500GB. Rivian would use half of it?? The cost is 10 € per 50GB. Rivian would tax me up to 50 €.

Another option is to install a firewall that has the ability to block protocols, web sites, etc. My Firewalla provides excellent detail about what communications are taking place and how much data is being transferred. It's fairly user friendly so you don't need a ton of technical knowledge, but it does help. In the app, it is as simple as clicking on a web site or a protocol, or the device to block its traffic completely. Also, I am seeing 6.39G uploaded over the past 30 days, so for some reason there is a huge difference between what various people see.

 

[Rgrin]

My take: It is MobileEye for right now, and they are continuously gathering data and developing their NVDA/Orin solution in parallel. The R2 will probably use NVDA/Orin only (save cost), and so by 2026 they have to get their in-house (NVDA/Orin) solution. working And at that time they go Eyes-Off (which I think the particular MobileEye solution in Gen1 or Gen2 is not capable of.)

 

[mpshizzle]

Another option is to install a firewall that has the ability to block protocols, web sites, etc. My Firewalla provides excellent detail about what communications are taking place and how much data is being transferred. It's fairly user friendly so you don't need a ton of technical knowledge, but it does help. In the app, it is as simple as clicking on a web site or a protocol, or the device to block its traffic completely. Also, I am seeing 6.39G uploaded over the past 30 days, so for some reason there is a huge difference between what various people see.

I'm assuming it's proportionate to the amount of driving that you do. I would imagine I'm probably on the higher end, driving on average 1,600 miles per month

My take: It is MobileEye for right now, and they are continuously gathering data and developing their NVDA/Orin solution in parallel. The R2 will probably use NVDA/Orin only (save cost), and so by 2026 they have to get their in-house (NVDA/Orin) solution. working And at that time they go Eyes-Off (which I think the particular MobileEye solution in Gen1 or Gen2 is not capable of.)

This is what I think, too. Nothing is guaranteed until we actually see a production, but on the investor Day presentation they did say that the R2 is supposed to have a similar sensor suite to Gen 2

 

[NY_Rob]

It's only uploaded when you are at home, my car stays plugged in most of the time. So, I have no problem with any battery drain.

You still have vampire drain when plugged in, it's just shifted from your battery to your home's power circuit.
That daily 1-1.5kWh of energy has to come from somewhere. The vehicle will pull it from your 12V battery (which the vehicle will recharge from the big battery) or it will use the L1 or L2 connection to charge the big battery which in turn will keep the 12V battery charged.

 

[HapticWagon]

One question I have that we can speculate answers for:

how does the lane change assist work if the all the autonomy is based on the front camera MobileEye??

wonder if they can signal to MobileEye to do certain things? Speed up/down lane change. Or does it use the side rear view cameras too?

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