I forgot where I heard it, but someone did say that Rivian was supposed to support plug and charge.As others posted, the messages of EA's issues are highly exaggerated. I'm using EA for 2 years now and I've never been stranded. A couple times I had to try another plug, but that's it and there was always another one available.
Also where I live and travel EA chargers are almost always empty, so same as others I've never had to wait for free plug. I'd say that 90% of the time there is no one else at the station charging and my car is not charging very fast so I spend good 30-40 minutes there. I actually feel pretty bad every time I charge, because I'm worried they will just go under with such a low demand.
While we're on it. Anyone knows does Rivian support plug&charge? That's a feature I'd really like. @Denver_Paulie your Taycan has this capability for some time now right? Does it work nicely?
Ok yeah that makes sense then. Completely agree that road tripping in EVs other than Tesla is completely do-able. Its more likely I end up with an F150 Lightning than an R1T at this point, and I'm still planning on taking the same road trips, but just assuming I'll probably spend 40 - 60 more minutes charging.@Scoiatael and @Jabbahop
Since 2015 I have owned two different Model S', two different Model X's, an Audi e-Tron, and a Porsche Taycan 4s. I have logged serious miles in all of those vehicles.
I have no issues touting the strength and superiority of the Tesla Supercharging network. What I have issues with are people who spout absolutes on the internet about things that factually untrue. Why would someone spew that they "would never road trip in a non-Tesla EV" if they don't have a lot of experience in ownership of both types of vehicles???? I feel I can because I have longer term ownership of both types of cars.
Can you road trip in a CCS compatible EV? That answer is an absolute yes. Are there locations with 40 or 50 Electrify America chargers in California? No. But, in the almost 3 years I have been driving CCS compatible EV's, I have never waited to use a charger like I have when I owned Teslas. I have been to Idaho, California, Utah, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, Colorado, Kansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma, and Texas in an EV and successfully charged at Electrify America locations in all those states.
Once again, I feel that bull$hit type of conversation has to be posted with a caveat - this is one guy's OPINION, and he has little evidence to back up his opinion.
IF YOU BUY A RIVIAN YOU WILL HAVE NO ISSUES ROAD TRIPPING. But, as with everything in life, always have a back up plan. That is the message that should be shared on this board.
Depending on how far you go, the speed in which you drive, the climate conditions, the speed in which the car will charge, and the speed pushed by the actual charger itself, you will want to assume that you will spend 20 to 40 minutes charging at each stop. I am not sure what road trips you take now, but that will also dictate how long you will spend charging while on the road.Ok yeah that makes sense then. Completely agree that road tripping in EVs other than Tesla is completely do-able. Its more likely I end up with an F150 Lightning than an R1T at this point, and I'm still planning on taking the same road trips, but just assuming I'll probably spend 40 - 60 more minutes charging.
And EVGO picks up their build out to meet their terms with GM. And Rivian keeps building out RAN. And we see more 150+ kW chargepoint chargers. Lots coming in the next two years!Hopefully, this starts happening in March or April, 2022. In the meantime, Electrify America will have, hopefully, improved reliability and increased the number of locations open.
Thank you for your comments on what you took from listening to the conversation.It was clear in the conversation, most of or all of them have very little knowledge of Rivian, the R1's, or Rivian's future plans, thus their apprehension and leaning on their positive experiences with Tesla makes them biased towards Tesla.
This has been my Nor-Central-SoCal experience as well.It really depends on where you live most likely. In Southern and Central California at least Tesla supercharging network is so far ahead of EA its not even funny. Major routes have Tesla superchargers with 30-50 chargers while EA will only have 4-6, and there is usually 1 or 2 of them not working everytime I check plugshare. Maybe where you live EA is decent, but its not that great here.
This has been my Nor-Central-SoCal experience as well.
Superchargers sites are more plentiful and each site has way more chargers.
I see EA chargers in many of the same parking lots as Superchargers, and since I'll be relying on them soon I often go take a look.
This summer, at (4) supercharging stops where I was able to wander over to the EA chargers and take a look, I saw:
Trip 1 - An ID.4 waiting to charge because a MachE was using the only working charger.
Trip 2 - A Polestar2 charging at 50kwh (The owner assured me he was at about 30% SoC, and had successfully charged at high rates at other EA sites, so it was a problem with this one)
Trip 3 - An Audi eTron simply unable to start charging, with the owner on the phone (presumably) with EA, as he was trying to troubleshoot something on the screen.
Trip 4 - A site with 4 chargers, 2 of them being used successfully at well over 100kw
I look at this as a 25% success rate, which doesn't feel great.
We'll definitely be more weary taking roadtrips in the R1T than we do the Tesla.
The same goes for i20 between Dallas and birmingham. 600+ miles with no fast charging available. Hopefully that changes soon.Unless you are an employee, and get one in 2022, and need to raod trip through the upper Midwest along I-90 or north.
2023 though? Probably totally fine.