Rivian testing new Driver+ (Autonomy Experience Module) -- stops by the FCC

[Rivian Head]

Soon we shall find out based on data if FSD is safer than human driving. FSD has reportedly logged in over 1 billion miles, and will soon eclipse 2 billion. Will see if insurances premium will be impacted. You can curse at them later.

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[Dark-Fx]

Soon we shall find out based on data if FSD is safer than human driving. FSD has reportedly logged in over 1 billion miles, and will soon eclipse 2 billion. Will see if insurances premium will be impacted. You can curse at them later.

I'll only give a shit if forced/unexpected interventions are considered a failure of FSD.

 

[brancky3]

Just try for yourself V12.3, and rewrite your post. Prejudice is never a good thing. I think V13 will be classified as level 4. Remains to be seen.

I have no idea what version my Model 3LR had, but unless they changed the requirement for torque on the wheel I don't see my opinion changing. Lane centering was great (especially since it can be used on regular roads) but the lack of driver vision monitoring and the requirement for torque on the wheel made it a pretty bad system.

 

[usofrob]

I would agree that recent updates to FSD (Supervised) have improved the performance greatly. I now can use the Autopilot again (not FSD, just using TACC has been too unreliable until recently), the phantom braking is much reduced. In normal conditions the FSD (Supervised) does reasonable things. But as noted by the recent name change, this is going to stay Level 2 for a while. If Tesla starts taking responsibility (financial and other) from the driver and let's the driver fall asleep or be drunk, then it's not Full Self Driving. Without having camera washers and other means of clearing visibility, I don't think current general Teslas can ever get to full self driving. Have you seen how useless the side and rear cameras can get in the rain?

I still take over whenever the traffic gets complicated because I won't be able to supervise/intervene quick enough if it decides to do something unsafe. I'm not sure at what point I'll trust an automated system for complex maneuvers, but maybe when the automaker takes responsibility for the vehicle's actions.

I feel like TACC can still be safe because it's really easy for a driver to monitor if it's failing. Even adding lane keep still seemed like I knew what the vehicle was going to do. The big risk with lane keep (and other more advanced lane changing algorithms) is that people get comfortable with it and use it to make bad decisions (like assuming it'll drive you home safely while you're drunk.) I was actually a lot more happy with the first generation Autopilot and have longed for my original Model S back.

Back to Rivian. I've been wondering if the R1 refresh will get the new autonomy hardware and software to step up to higher performance. I find myself less excited about it thqn I used to be for reasons mentioned above. If they can just get as good as Tesla was about 8 years ago. I'll be satisfied until they can come out with full autonomy.

 

[bdwalters]

I have no idea what version my Model 3LR had, but unless they changed the requirement for torque on the wheel I don't see my opinion changing. Lane centering was great (especially since it can be used on regular roads) but the lack of driver vision monitoring and the requirement for torque on the wheel made it a pretty bad system.

You can now just jiggle the volume roller a little instead.

 

[Rivian Head]

FSD 12.4 is now being rolled out to Tesla employees. We shall find out what AI does to improve autonomous driving.
If you predicted the future of handheld computers 25 yrs ago, and bought Apple shares, you will have done very well. How will AI transform the future of transportation?
If then, who will be the market leader?
I would love to hear from someone who is as intrigued as I am.

 

[bdwalters]

My son’s guitar teacher drives Uber for extra money. I told him he will be able to do that for a few more years max. I’m curious how much they will be able to fix in 12.4. I bet they will be able to do some major tuning in the next few releases, but it will get harder after that.

 

[Biturbowned]

Just try for yourself V12.3, and rewrite your post. Prejudice is never a good thing. I think V13 will be classified as level 4. Remains to be seen.

It is very impressive, I was never that interested, but with the end-to-end machine learning, it has definitely step-changed

 

[Rivian Head]

Clearly Tesla leads the autonomous driving technology now, and they may have the “moat” with unrivaled data. But in new technology, it’s not always the today’s leader emerges as the dominant winner. BlackBerry, Motorola, Nokia, just name a few 25 yrs ago.

 

[_evtrk]

with all the miles rivian is getting from the amazon vans, i wouldn't be surprised to see them catch up to tesla faster than most think. also its my understanding that blue cruise and super cruise are on par with tesla and some even consider them better currently.

 

[ohseedee]

with all the miles rivian is getting from the amazon vans, i wouldn't be surprised to see them catch up to tesla faster than most think. also its my understanding that blue cruise and super cruise are on par with tesla and some even consider them better currently.

Not sure you’d want to use amazon as training data for your AI. Otherwise drivers+ going to be stopping and double parking every 10 houses expecting you to get out and deliver a package

 

[_evtrk]

Not sure you’d want to use amazon as training data for your AI. Otherwise drivers+ going to be stopping and double parking every 10 houses expecting you to get out and deliver a package

At first I thought the same thing, then after talking to a buddy of mine that works in the autonomous driving/computer vision field he corrected me and said it actually is really good for training. And it's a really way to gauge how well it's learning.

 

[Derkaramma]

I’m whole heartedly hoping they will allow us to pay for hardware upgrades for our 2024 R1S when it is released. I would gladly pay whatever they want to be able to get improved driver+ whether that’s just better what it currently does or actual self driving capability. We were ready to pay 12k for the Tesla autopilot but didn’t like the headroom in the car plus loved the look of the rivian more. Over here praying hard.

 

[zymolysis]

Gross, Tesla's autopilot is pretty bad. The fact you have to keep torque on the steering wheel is absurd and can be downright dangerous when it unexepectedly disengages.

Since Rivian uses a capacitive system to detect hands-on, as I understand it, it wouldn't have the same issue.

 

[zymolysis]

"Drives better than my wife at night" is not exactly something I would trust with my life.

You already do - all those other cars on the road, driven by drivers in who-knows-what-condition/ability.

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