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If you run over my wife and her Seeing Eye Dog because they can't hear you coming because you tampered with a safety device, you can bet your butt I will take every dollar you have and then some in court.
If you run over a pedestrian even with a functioning AVAS it's pretty much on you. Very rarely would hitting a pedestrian in a parking lot or other low speed situation be deemed the fault of the pedestrian.





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If you run over a pedestrian even with a functioning AVAS it's pretty much on you. Very rarely would hitting a pedestrian in a parking lot or other low speed situation be deemed the fault of the pedestrian.
I think you're missing the point that a blind pedestrian could potentially avoid being hit altogether.

I'm about the furthest thing from a lawyer, but I've got to assume intentionally disabling a potentially life-saving technology would increase the severity of charges and liability.
 

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I think you're missing the point that a blind pedestrian could potentially avoid being hit altogether.

I'm about the furthest thing from a lawyer, but I've got to assume intentionally disabling a potentially life-saving technology would increase the severity of charges and liability.
@DucRider was simply commenting on being at fault for hitting a pedestrian regardless of the circumstances.

Tampering however has the potential to change who pays. If the AVAS was functioning, your insurance would likely cover it as any other accident. If the AVAS was intentionally disabled, that could be deemed willful negligence (or some such legal mumbo jumbo, I'm no lawyer) and insurance may not have to pay out leaving the driver to shoulder the financial burden of any award/settlement.
 
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If you run over my wife and her Seeing Eye Dog because they can't hear you coming because you tampered with a safety device, you can bet your butt I will take every dollar you have and then some in court.
I’m with you there. Although I am curious why Automakers don’t give a couple of options of what sound you can make. Surely all of the auto makers don’t have the same sound?
 

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I’m with you there. Although I am curious why Automakers don’t give a couple of options of what sound you can make. Surely all of the auto makers don’t have the same sound?
Go back and reread number 28. It implies there will be multiple noises to select from. Tesla has this too. Not sure of others. For me all that matters is Rivian.
 

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I believe there are some pretty strict legal requirements for the sound. If it is configurable, it's not like you're going to be able to choose like a jetsons sound or anything, it's going to be a few of the legal options.
 

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I wish my Tesla had a bell or something to activate. Some people with headphones on will just stand in the middle of the parking lot. I once had to tap my horn as a pedestrian started walking sideways into my path. He was super mad that I used my horn.
 

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I once had to tap my horn as a pedestrian started walking sideways into my path.
I've had the same problem with pedestrian on the bike path.
 

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I’m with you there. Although I am curious why Automakers don’t give a couple of options of what sound you can make. Surely all of the auto makers don’t have the same sound?
Id just hope you could turn off the sound in places like home or private/rural areas. I live on land and don’t want to make noise at slow speeds to bother others. All we hear is the wind typically at best.
 

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I’m with you there. Although I am curious why Automakers don’t give a couple of options of what sound you can make. Surely all of the auto makers don’t have the same sound?
Automakers don't all have to have the same sound, but there are very specific requirements.
There was a petition by some automakers to allow user selectable sounds (currently prohibited) and it is out for further study before being granted (last I heard)
Id just hope you could turn off the sound in places like home or private/rural areas. I live on land and don’t want to make noise at slow speeds to bother others. All we hear is the wind typically at best.
The EU standard allows for the user to turn it off in certain areas. That was specifically removed from the US standard.

This is a very complicated standard with very specific testing down to specific trim levels.
A sample of the rules:

In the final rule, hybrid and electric vehicles will instead have to meet a requirement based on sound level in either two or four one-third octave bands at the vehicle manufacturer's option, and a vehicle may alternate between meeting the 2-band and 4-band specifications depending on test speed. Vehicles complying with the 4-band option must meet minimum sound pressure levels in any four non-adjacent one-third octave bands between 315 Hz and 5000 Hz, including the one-third octave bands between 630 Hz and 1600 Hz (these bands were excluded in the NPRM). Vehicles complying with the 2-band option must meet minimum sound pressure levels in two non-adjacent one-third octave bands between 315 Hz and 3150 Hz, with one band below 1000 Hz and the other band at or above 1000 Hz. The two bands used to meet the 2-band option also must meet a minimum band sum level.
Under the 4-band compliance option, the minimum sound levels for each band are slightly lower than the values proposed in the NPRM, and the overall sound pressure of sounds meeting the 4-band option will be similar to those meeting the proposed eight-band requirements in the NPRM. Under the 2-band compliance option, the minimum sound requirements for each band are lower than those of the proposed eight-band requirements for the low and mid frequency bands (315 Hz through 3,150 Hz; the 4,000 Hz and 5,000 Hz bands are not included for the purpose of determining compliance with the 2-band requirement.) Neither the 4-band compliance option nor the 2-band compliance option include requirements for tones or broadband content that were contained in the NPRM.
For both the 2-band and 4-band compliance options, the final rule expands the range of acceptable one-third octave bands to include those between 630 Hz and 1600 Hz (these bands were excluded in the NPRM). It also reflects an across-the-board reduction in the minimum levels of 4 dB(A) to account for measurement variability which the agency's development of test procedures indicated was needed.

Final Rules:
https://www.federalregister.gov/doc...um-sound-requirements-for-hybrid-and-electric

Test procedures:
https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.d...irements_for_hybrid_and_electric_vehicles.pdf
 

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I’m with you there. Although I am curious why Automakers don’t give a couple of options of what sound you can make. Surely all of the auto makers don’t have the same sound?
The latest Tesla’s make that sound. You can’t hear it with the windows up. Outside, it isn‘t all that loud, sounds like a UFO spaceship.
 

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These were new pieces of info to me...

Power Provisions for Winch Included
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That's very good news. But I'll be very interested to see how it works. My Warn 10-S draws 400 amps at 12 volts....
 

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Id just hope you could turn off the sound in places like home or private/rural areas. I live on land and don’t want to make noise at slow speeds to bother others. All we hear is the wind typically at best.
I know this has been covered a few times in other threads; but I’ll say it again for those Rivian employees watching. Please, please allow the sound to be turned off. It is an adventure vehicle and some adventures are best had as quietly as possible.
 

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I know this has been covered a few times in other threads; but I’ll say it again for those Rivian employees watching. Please, please allow the sound to be turned off. It is an adventure vehicle and some adventures are best had as quietly as possible.
They can't give you control to turn it off while at the same time ensuring without a doubt they are complying with regulations by having it on. Just trying to manage expectations, because the chances of being able to toggle the sound off are hovering right around zero.
 

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