From a former Jeep and current Bronco owner

[DuoRivians]

I came here with good intentions and I'm getting blown up for one comment. Also, very short sited on the no research. I've been keeping up with all things EV and very much in tune with Rivian and the things they are doing. All I stated was that to get more people on board there needs to be more price parity between EV's and ICE.

Ram TRX, Ford Raptor, Rivian R1T are all similar in price. Each have their pros and cons, but the price parity is there, especially after fuel v kwh costs.

IMO, you’re getting feedback on your initial post, because it seems to come from a place of not data supported position and/or a bit of arbitrariness that would benefit yourself personally

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[usulio]

Welcome to the forum and thanks for the post!

The magic about Rivian is you get fans who love the off-roading capability, others who love the sportscar speed, others who want to haul stuff around. You're paying for all that stuff, even if you only care about one dimension. It'd be cool to see a cheaper EV truck focused on off-roading.

From what I've seen after a LOT of time on youtube, not much personal experience, you're right about the downsides for off-roading. No lockers seems to hold the car back (edit: in certain specific situations). Also, related, the way rock crawl works, where you're supposed to floor the accelerator and hope for the best.

Don't get me wrong, it's incredibly capable off-road, but whether it can convince people to switch from their wranglers and broncos...remains to be seen.

 

[Mike777]

Welcome to the forum and thanks for the post!

The magic about Rivian is you get fans who love the off-roading capability, others who love the sportscar speed, others who want to haul stuff around. You're paying for all that stuff, even if you only care about one dimension. It'd be cool to see a cheaper EV truck focused on off-roading.

From what I've seen after a LOT of time on youtube, not much personal experience, you're right about the downsides for off-roading. No lockers seems to hold the car back. Also, related, the way rock crawl works, where you're supposed to floor the accelerator and hope for the best.

Don't get me wrong, it's incredibly capable off-road, but whether it can convince people to switch from their wranglers and broncos...remains to be seen.

I appreciate the feedback. I wasn't trying to be overly negative. This response is everything I was referring to. I truly do love mostly everything about the vehicle after researching for a long time.

 

[ads75]

3. If GM, RAM, and I'm sure Ford after the refresh of the lightning can get 400-450 miles for a full size truck, Rivian needs to step it up here. I live in Texas and it takes at the minimum 3 hours to get to another city in my vehicle.

What is your source for 400-450 miles of range? As in, real world, production, actual...proven range? Not a press release, where they "hope" to hit those numbers. But real world, actual, accomplished those numbers. Because anyone can, and everyone has, put out press releases with "expected" range greater than anyone else. You say "IF", which is a BS target, because they haven't.

 

[CrazyOne]

I recently joined the forum, but I have been a constant lurker curious as to what Rivian has been doing. I've always been into lifestyle vehicles as I love to go spend time outdoors including camping/off-roading. Being a Bronco owner, I have taken my vehicle on numerous trips across the country and been on multiple trails.

Today, I finally got my chance to park right next to a green R1T. I from time to time got to see one on the road but never up close and in person. I'll be honest I was blown away by the craftsmanship and how well it looked. Part of me was always skeptical, but always intrigued by it. It was almost as tall as my Sasquatch Bronco with the All-Terrain Package but definitely held its own in looks and stoutness.

I know most of this has been said before, but there are ICE owners out there that are intrigued in EV's just waiting for the right moment to purchase one. What's been stopping me is a few things.

1. The price tag 80k is steep for a vehicle. If Rivian can get it down to 60k base model to 80k fully loaded, you would see many people hop on board. I'm hoping to see more price parity between ICE and EV prices in the coming years for the mid size truck segment. No tax credits also make it difficult because of the current cost being above 80k.
2. I truly hope they add support for a front winch and true rear/front lockers not just the electronic variation of it. It is absolutely necessary on the tougher trails.
3. If GM, RAM, and I'm sure Ford after the refresh of the lightning can get 400-450 miles for a full size truck, Rivian needs to step it up here. I live in Texas and it takes at the minimum 3 hours to get to another city in my vehicle.

Aside from those concerns, the Rivian is now officially (hopefully) going to be my next vehicle after 2025-2026 when the new NACS port is built in natively. I know, I know the adapter! Convenience is everything in a situation like this.

I wish I had included a side by side with the Rivian, but my Bronco is parked right next to it.

If you think adapter is a massive inconvenience, you should stay away from EVs for another 5 to 10 years atleast.

 

[computertom]

So a few bits of non-bench racing. R1T with 20's and all the off road goodies, a 392XR, and a Braptor went into a bar ... I mean my garage...

Electrons are expensive where I am, and man, gas isn't. So the cost differential between our R1T and our BRaptor for 10K miles - including oil changes, is $600. I really thought it was going to be more, but nope - charging at home is way more convenient, but not _that_ much cheaper (for me). And our electrical utility is trying to go even higher (Eversource ...). Not really the clear cut win over an absolute gas guzzler that I was hoping for.

Yes, the R1T is put together mostly _really_ well. After some fixes by the SC post delivery, it was really good. But I never got over the low speed noise from the suspension that was "within spec". Kinda maddening that the only air suspension that didn't need to get replaced that I've ever experienced that was this noisy was in a brand new 90K EV truck.

Range seems like a big deal before you have an EV, but once you do, it really isn't. My bladder can't go 450 miles. Even if I were towing so it was only 225 miles, I'd still want to stop and stretch out, or let the dog take a walk. Ease of charing is _way_ more important than battery capacity IMHO. Way. You're not a fleet driver, you probably don't need 400+ miles and that's a lot of battery material to get to 180 - 200kWh battery that could make 1/3rd of another vehicle that you'll almost never use. This is why I switched my res from Max pack to large. I realized I didn't really need it for the few times I wanted / needed to go that far outside of the easy corridors.

Anyway, the Bronco's are super fun too. top open or off, plus doors off is a whole different world. Rivian can't quite compete there, but at the same time, the handling and driving dynamics of the R1T is just off the charts for a 7K lb truck. It really does feel like it defies physics.

And the 392XR? It really doesn't do many things better than the Bronco or the Rivian, but it does make the noise and it's _almost_ as fast in a very straight line as the Rivian. And the One-Touch-Top is awesome. And the Jeep Wave thing is great and you have to remind yourself to not do it to Jeeps when you're in your other trucks... But some Riv folks seem to wave too and that parts is pretty cool also.

Anyway, welcome to the forum.

 

[SANZC02]

I recently joined the forum, but I have been a constant lurker curious as to what Rivian has been doing. I've always been into lifestyle vehicles as I love to go spend time outdoors including camping/off-roading. Being a Bronco owner, I have taken my vehicle on numerous trips across the country and been on multiple trails.

Today, I finally got my chance to park right next to a green R1T. I from time to time got to see one on the road but never up close and in person. I'll be honest I was blown away by the craftsmanship and how well it looked. Part of me was always skeptical, but always intrigued by it. It was almost as tall as my Sasquatch Bronco with the All-Terrain Package but definitely held its own in looks and stoutness.

I know most of this has been said before, but there are ICE owners out there that are intrigued in EV's just waiting for the right moment to purchase one. What's been stopping me is a few things. Yes, I have been following Rivian a very long time and done research so im not just saying these things lightly.

1. The price tag 80k is steep for a vehicle. If Rivian can get it down to 60k base model to 80k fully loaded, you would see many people hop on board. I'm hoping to see more price parity between ICE and EV prices in the coming years for the mid size truck segment. No tax credits also make it difficult because of the current cost being above 80k.
2. I truly hope they add support for a front winch and true rear/front lockers not just the electronic variation of it.
3. If GM, RAM, and I'm sure Ford after the refresh of the lightning can get 400-450 miles for a full-size truck, Rivian needs to step it up here. Yes, I do understand the range loss especially highway vs stated EPA. I live in Texas, and it takes at the minimum 3 hours to get to another city in my vehicle.

Aside from those concerns, the Rivian is now officially (hopefully) going to be my next vehicle after 2025-2026 when the new NACS port is built in natively. I know, I know the adapter!

I wish I had included a side by side with the Rivian, but my Bronco is parked right next to it.

Keep you eye out for the R2 when it comes out, probably will not have air suspension and a smaller foot print but the target market is 40-60k and be compatible with full tax credit.

 

[Riviot]

The price tag 80k is steep for a vehicle. If Rivian can get it down to 60k base model to 80k fully loaded, you would see many people hop on board.

All I stated was that to get more people on board there needs to be more price parity between EV's and ICE.

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[Goose]

Keep you eye out for the R2 when it comes out, probably will not have air suspension and a smaller foot print but the target market is 40-60k and be compatible with full tax credit.

people keep saying to wait for R2 for a cheaper Rivian. The R2 is going to be a small unibody crossover, not a larger midsize truck that a lot of us want.

Originally Rivian had an explore trim as an entry, hopefully they bring that back one day.

 

[BigSkies]

I do think Rivian will eventually make lower priced versions of the R1’s. The Normal factory has the capacity to make ~150k vehicles a year, and they want to use all of that.

Once the order backlog is through and there are other compelling EV trucks on the road, I don’t think Rivian will see 150k/yr vehicle demand at the current price points.

I could see them bringing back the “Explore” package in the future, or maybe even releasing a version without the adjustable suspension. This would open a lot more buyers under that magic $80k mark.

I agree that the R1T is appropriately priced for what it is. But I also agree that they’ll eventually need to find ways to bring in lower trims in order to keep the sales volume they want.

 

[COdogman]

When you compare what the R1T/ R1S actually IS and what it can do I don’t think there is a vehicle even close to $60k that can compete with it. If possible, get yourself a test drive and you will see what we mean when we say that. It’s not like any other vehicle made by anyone, honestly.

And no it doesn’t have lockers, but it will get you where you want to go. It’s worth every penny.

 

[Dark-Fx]

. Even Kyle Connor from out of spec has mentioned it needs lockers on the vehicle because the electronic system can't compare.

Kyle isn't really an off-roader. The quad motor has some quirks but it's absolutely capable off-road, it just requires more thought when you hit the more difficult stuff. Some of the earliest reviews were with people that didn't change the vehicle mode to suit the terrain, so you have a vehicle that's trying to do something it shouldn't be doing in the moment.

Rivian has done a lot of work tweaking things since the early days. In my 15 month ownership of my R1T, it's really amazing to me how much better this truck has gotten.

 

[WorldComposting]

I recently joined the forum, but I have been a constant lurker curious as to what Rivian has been doing. I've always been into lifestyle vehicles as I love to go spend time outdoors including camping/off-roading. Being a Bronco owner, I have taken my vehicle on numerous trips across the country and been on multiple trails.

Welcome to the forum. I read through everything written and I think I can sum up a few things for you that might help you understand the price and value. Especially as I was looking at a Bronco as my next vehicle

I didn't order the vehicle right away as I wasn't sure of build quality until I saw this Munro video

He beats the Rivian on the wood logs and it has very little damage. Then when they start tearing the vehicle apart it is mentioned multiple times that this vehicle can't be selling for under 100K and be profitable. So I don't expect prices to fall. Also updates can improve how it drives offroad where as the Bronco only gets better if you put more money into the vehicle.

Along with that the way to think about EVs is you are buying 90% of your fuel up front. I say this because electricity is typically much cheaper than gas. Over 100,000 miles you will see the cost of the battery be eaten up by how much you are spending in gas vs electricity. So over those miles you might spend $5,000 on a R1T but you will spend $20,000 on gas for the Bronco. If you drive it like you stole it these numbers get even better for the R1 vehicles.

As others have said the acceleration is amazing on the R1 vehicles and I know my brother-in-law who just rode in mine had a huge smile on his face and I didn't even floor it and he is 100% for gas vehicles.

Now if you are a serious about going offroad I can see reasons why not to get an R1 such as parts which might be harder to come by with a new brand. Not being able to install a winch as you said. Worried about EV charging on the way to the trail.

Really the comparison vehicle for the R1 is a Land Rover. I don't feel the R1 is as luxurious inside (I'm sure people will argue) but it just feels like the power and offroad ability of that model was the key just making it an EV.

 

[Nametaken]

I also own a Bronco, they are miles apart the 1T is top class inside, ride is amazing compared to the Bronco, I love the Bronco but it now seems junkie on the inside when I drive it....but they are two different animals and I am aware of that. As far as pricing goes, think of the Raptor to compare they are in the same ballpark price wise, I would take the Rivian all day long now if I had a choice. Also, you are not pumping dollar bills into the side of the truck every time you turn around like with the Bronco

 

[rbr19870445]

I recently joined the forum, but I have been a constant lurker curious as to what Rivian has been doing. I've always been into lifestyle vehicles as I love to go spend time outdoors including camping/off-roading. Being a Bronco owner, I have taken my vehicle on numerous trips across the country and been on multiple trails.

Today, I finally got my chance to park right next to a green R1T. I from time to time got to see one on the road but never up close and in person. I'll be honest I was blown away by the craftsmanship and how well it looked. Part of me was always skeptical, but always intrigued by it. It was almost as tall as my Sasquatch Bronco with the All-Terrain Package but definitely held its own in looks and stoutness.

I know most of this has been said before, but there are ICE owners out there that are intrigued in EV's just waiting for the right moment to purchase one. What's been stopping me is a few things. Yes, I have been following Rivian a very long time and done research so im not just saying these things lightly.

1. The price tag 80k is steep for a vehicle. If Rivian can get it down to 60k base model to 80k fully loaded, you would see many people hop on board. I'm hoping to see more price parity between ICE and EV prices in the coming years for the mid size truck segment. Why not have different packages for the R1T like base, overland, luxury etc. to reduce price and help customize? No tax credits also make it difficult because of the current cost being above 80k.
2. I truly hope they add support for a front winch and true rear/front lockers not just the electronic variation of it.
3. If GM, RAM, and I'm sure Ford after the refresh of the lightning can get 400-450 miles for a full-size truck, Rivian needs to step it up here. Yes, I do understand the range loss especially highway vs stated EPA. I live in Texas, and it takes at the minimum 3 hours to get to another city in my vehicle.

Aside from those concerns, the Rivian is now officially (hopefully) going to be my next vehicle after 2025-2026 when the new NACS port is built in natively. I know, I know the adapter!

I wish I had included a side by side with the Rivian, but my Bronco is parked right next to it.

Disagree with pricing. An F150 Raptor starts in the mid 70s, why are we saying that Rivian needs to get the R1 price below $60k? That's what the R2 is for.

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