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I really admire how deep into the engineering and technical RJ is, I am sure he was prepped but still really never was caught off guard. Almost makes me wish I got the dual motor, ALMOST!!
 

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It just seems like the Performance Motor is "Conserve" mode on the Quad. But for a 3k price difference, why wouldn't everyone just get Quad? I want to know more about the standard Dual Motor.. that's the big purchase difference.
 

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It just seems like the Performance Motor is "Conserve" mode on the Quad. But for a 3k price difference, why wouldn't everyone just get Quad? I want to know more about the standard Dual Motor.. that's the big purchase difference.
From what Rivian has communicated thus far, the "Performance Motor" is simply a software-unlocked / higher-performance-ceiling version of the standard Dual Motor. So, same physical motor, but different software limitations.

My understanding is even the Software-Limited "Standard" Dual Motor version performs as if it's a QM in conserve, and the "Performance" version simply launches faster.
 

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From what Rivian has communicated thus far, the "Performance Motor" is simply a software-unlocked / higher-performance-ceiling version of the standard Dual Motor. So, same physical motor, but different software limitations.

My understanding is even the Software-Limited "Standard" Dual Motor version performs as if it's a QM in conserve, and the "Performance" version simply launches faster.
Oh really? I have yet to hear anything about the standard dual motor.
 

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From what Rivian has communicated thus far, the "Performance Motor" is simply a software-unlocked / higher-performance-ceiling version of the standard Dual Motor. So, same physical motor, but different software limitations.

My understanding is even the Software-Limited "Standard" Dual Motor version performs as if it's a QM in conserve, and the "Performance" version simply launches faster.
You also need the large pack according to the configurator for both the performance or the quad motor. That puts the price difference at 11k for dual performance and 14k for quad over dual/standard pricing.

Makes me wonder if it is more than just a software update as they were discussing silicon carbide and silicon IGBT and the cost/performance difference between those. The dual motors can use either so possible that the performance version uses the more expensive silicon carbide and use the cheaper silicon IGBT in the standard. Just my speculation but could explain some the price difference and might mean it is not just a software upgrade that could be purchased later.
 

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Oh really? I have yet to hear anything about the standard dual motor.
I guess it depends on what you mean by "Standard".

If you're referring to the motor itself, then yeah, what we know is that it's the same physical motor (just software limited). The "Standard" motor is the base price, and the performance software unlock is $5k.

If you're referring to "Standard" as in the "Standard Battery Pack", then no we have not heard anything about that yet.

MotorBatteryPriceWhat we know
Dual MotorStandard$73,000Nothing about the battery. Same physical motor that's shipping in the Performance model, but software limited. Performs as if it's QM Conserve.
Dual MotorLarge$79,000Same physical motor that's shipping in the Performance model, but software limited. Performs as if it's QM Conserve.
Performance Dual MotorLarge$84,000Same physical motor as the non-performance model, but software unlocked with more HP and a faster launch. Performs as if it's QM Conserve, but an additional "Sport Mode" is available.
Quad MotorLarge$87,000Everything
 
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It just seems like the Performance Motor is "Conserve" mode on the Quad. But for a 3k price difference, why wouldn't everyone just get Quad? I want to know more about the standard Dual Motor.. that's the big purchase difference.
I think they eventually increase the cost of the Quad option by at least 5K. I know a lot of people think the price is too high but look at the price of the Model S and X Plaid (108K) and the R1S Quad (92K). Raising the price of the quad will make the dual and dual performance seem like a better value by comparison.

Combine that with the dual being internally built (cheaper than Bosch) and only needing two instead of 4 motors and I think they will actually make money on the dual where as the quad has been sold at a slight loss.
 

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I changed my pre-price hike config from quad to performance dual R1S. My reasoning:

1. The dual drive unit is going to generate far more data in terms of miles driven between the EDV, R1, and R2 platform. Data that Rivian will use to tweak software.
2. The dual motor probably has better half shafts that will not suffer the ubiquitous "clunk".
3. 352 miles of range without having to think about switching to conserve mode.
4. I don't need motor-per-wheel torque vectoring.
 
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From what Rivian has communicated thus far, the "Performance Motor" is simply a software-unlocked / higher-performance-ceiling version of the standard Dual Motor. So, same physical motor, but different software limitations.

My understanding is even the Software-Limited "Standard" Dual Motor version performs as if it's a QM in conserve, and the "Performance" version simply launches faster.
One thing that is discussed at about 16:00 is that the Quad motor "Conserve mode" is a manual selection which disables the rear motors. With the Dual motor design, the rear motor automatically is switched on or off depending on power requirements.
 

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One thing that is discussed at about 16:00 is that the Quad motor "Conserve mode" is a manual selection which disables the rear motors. With the Dual motor design, the rear motor automatically is switched on or off depending on power requirements.
I think that's how conserve mode in QM works also. If you need juice, you'll get juice. But with QM you can simply disable the mode entirely which keeps all motors on at all times.
 

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I think that's how conserve mode in QM works also. If you need juice, you'll get juice. But with QM you can simply disable the mode entirely which keeps all motors on at all times.
Conserve mode for the quad motor never goes to AWD. It's permanent FWD when in conserve. You can (usually) hear the physical disconnect when you engage and re-engage the physical disconnect going into and out of conserve. They seem to have something else going on with with the rear motor in the DM builds.
 

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I think that's how conserve mode in QM works also. If you need juice, you'll get juice. But with QM you can simply disable the mode entirely which keeps all motors on at all times.
I do not think so, there is a noticeable difference in acceleration on the highway between All Purpose and Conserve. When I shift between conserve and all purpose you can feel it engage. I take the load off of the drive train when I switch between them.
 

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There is a previous Munroe video that does a tear down of the QM units. The rears have a magnetic disconnect for Conserve mode, making it less than half the power and FWD only.

The QM in Conserve is not comparable in power or traction to the DM (either standard or performance). They are apples and bananas, and both are delicious.
 

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I do not think so, there is a noticeable difference in acceleration on the highway between All Purpose and Conserve. When I shift between conserve and all purpose you can feel it engage. I take the load off of the drive train when I switch between them.
The truck makes it even more obvious, your power meter is drastically reduced. :)
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