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Does anyone know if First Drives for R1S is available in OR? I don't mind driving down there if it remains unavailable in WA.
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I believe these fall under the Magnuson-Moss Warranty act.So, no interstate commerce laws protecting consumers making purchases across state lines? There's gotta be some form of federal protection if individual states don't offer them for whatever reason, right?
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https://www.rivianforums.com/forum/threads/first-drives-cancelled-in-wa.8601/post-212528I'm also not completely convinced that our vehicles won't fall under WA state lemon law. But, I am convinced I don't know enough to really know.
We need to do an initiative. I was stonewalled by multiple reps, and the one I spoke to previously admitted the committee who saw the prior bill to allow direct to consumer EV sales is in the pocket of the dealers. They want to "protect local jobs."Looking over the voter's pamphlet and realized it is an excellent time to contact my state representatives about the favoritism to dealers issue. I've already done it once without a reply, but maybe during election season I'll have better luck. Also thinking about posting on local neighborhood chats. My rep is on the so-called consumer protection committee.
Same.I live in Renton. I'd be willing to show off and let someone drive my R1T around. First Drive was a critical part of my purchase decision. It is a lot of money on a truck you have never seen or could climb in. Still loving my decision to get my R1T (most of the time I was on the list for an R1S but kept changing my mind.
This is why we have initiatives. One (or a few) of us needs to reach out to Rivian and probably Lucid to get their suprt for it and have a resident sign off on it. I'm sure both manufacturers, and a bunch of us, would put in the effort to get signatures. Once on the ballot I can't imagine dealers have much goodwill left to keep one from passing a public vote.Rivian did a lot of work on the 2021 bill...which as noted didn't get out of committee. EV owners in the state have been bugging legislators about this at least since 2009. EV groups (like Drive Electric Washington) will be contacting legislators again this year...there are definitely supporters there, but it's not generally considered a priority. Sigh.
In almost every district, the largest sales-tax contributors are auto dealers, so there are indeed a lot of legislators that pay attention to them - even at the expense of the citizens they are supposed to represent. There was a bill similar to this around 2011 that I testified on...and the legislators on the committee did not appear to even be listening to any of the testimony.
Dealer-sponsored bills get passed regularly, without much scrutiny. One year an OEM lobbyist contacted a local EV group to let them know about one effect of a large bill in the process...a simple "and" changed to an "or" would have made it illegal for Tesla to sell in the state. We Tesla owners organized a campaign to contact our legislators, and a bunch of us took cars to the capitol for a ride-and-drive event for them. That one word got changed so Tesla was grandfathered in...but nobody else. Nobody liked that, but the session was almost over and they didn't have time for a better fix. They promised to fix it in the future...but I guess the future is still coming. Bummer.
I don’t buy that it’s about sales tax revenue. If that was the case they would pass the direct to consumers bill immediately. With direct sales the sales tax revenue is protected for sure as the sale takes place within the state. I think it has to do with the fact that most dealerships are owned by a couple giant conglomerates and these conglomerates are using their money and lobby power to buy politicians.Rivian did a lot of work on the 2021 bill...which as noted didn't get out of committee. EV owners in the state have been bugging legislators about this at least since 2009. EV groups (like Drive Electric Washington) will be contacting legislators again this year...there are definitely supporters there, but it's not generally considered a priority. Sigh.
In almost every district, the largest sales-tax contributors are auto dealers, so there are indeed a lot of legislators that pay attention to them - even at the expense of the citizens they are supposed to represent. There was a bill similar to this around 2011 that I testified on...and the legislators on the committee did not appear to even be listening to any of the testimony.
Dealer-sponsored bills get passed regularly, without much scrutiny. One year an OEM lobbyist contacted a local EV group to let them know about one effect of a large bill in the process...a simple "and" changed to an "or" would have made it illegal for Tesla to sell in the state. We Tesla owners organized a campaign to contact our legislators, and a bunch of us took cars to the capitol for a ride-and-drive event for them. That one word got changed so Tesla was grandfathered in...but nobody else. Nobody liked that, but the session was almost over and they didn't have time for a better fix. They promised to fix it in the future...but I guess the future is still coming. Bummer.
I live in Renton. I'd be willing to show off and let someone drive my R1T around. First Drive was a critical part of my purchase decision. It is a lot of money on a truck you have never seen or could climb in. Still loving my decision to get my R1T (most of the time I was on the list for an R1S but kept changing my mind.
Here’s an update that is probably worth it’s own thread now that topic has migrated a bit:Same.