Quad Motor Rivian R1 with NACS Gen 2 Teaser (MKBHD)

[kenyee]

ads do you see that tout 800V as primary talking point?

I think they would definitely say "charges from 10-80% in 10min but they wouldn't mention 800v architecture...

Agree it doesn't matter now except to people who have heard NACS is the future standard and would like a "standard" charge port even though it's less useful now...

Battery tech for fast charging is a few years out (in the US, not China)...Gen 3 R1S probably...

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[kyunam]

If the price is same as my launch edition, I would upgrade in a heartbeat

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

I think they would definitely say "charges from 10-80% in 10min but they wouldn't mention 800v

That’s what I meant. But even if they could do so in 10 min, it’s still not the primary marketing message. Packs as large as Rivian’s large and max? It’d probably be more than 10 min. And for majority of motorists, if it’s not close to the time it takes to refill a tank of gas, it’s not “sexy” enough to mention.

 

[kenyee]

not close to the time it takes to refill a tank of gas, it’s not “sexy” enough to mention.

I think 10min is close enough.
Most people who have tried EVs think it takes 30min...and think that's way too long compared to gas...

They don't care if it's 800v or whatever underneath...just time and cost.

 

[Tim-in-CA]

And now you will need 2 adapters ... one for J1772 (AC charging) and one for CCS (DCFC). I wonder if Rivian will be providing those or if you will have to purchase them. The Gravity is also native NACS but does the supply the 2 needed adapters for full coverage.

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

And now you will need 2 adapters ... one for J1772 (AC charging) and one for CCS (DCFC). I wonder if Rivian will be providing those or if you will have to purchase them. The Gravity is also native NACS but does the supply the 2 needed adapters for full coverage.

With continued focus on profitability, I doubt there will be any more free adapters.

 

[theonetruestripes]

The plug type, who really cares…

Well it is nicer. Every time I plug my Rivian in at home getting the plug aligned is a bit harder then it ever was on the Y. Every time I go to unplug it is little more fiddly as well because the latch isn;t quite as obviously responsive, but that may happen on NACS as well. Having the plug partly self align for you on plug in is much nicer.

Day v night difference? Not really. Still, nicer.

It’ll suck slightly in the short run also since you can’t go to a RAN or EA or most places other then Tesla’s SuperChargers unless Rivian ships a NACS to CCS adaptor (which even Tesla charges extra for), also most L2 chargers are J1772 not NACS (or at least around here Jay Peak has a half dozen L2 Tesla destination chargers and ChargePoint has 100s of L2 J1772 chargers, literally 100s).

If last month’s R1’s had NACS I wouldn’t have had to buy fewer adaptors since I already had NACS in my garage, and could have skipped a few things...still in the grand scheme of things, it is a big...yawn.

Slightly positive, but slightly.

 

[DuoRivians]

Well it is nicer. Every time I plug my Rivian in at home getting the plug aligned is a bit harder then it ever was on the Y. Every time I go to unplug it is little more fiddly as well because the latch isn;t quite as obviously responsive, but that may happen on NACS as well. Having the plug partly self align for you on plug in is much nicer.

Day v night difference? Not really. Still, nicer.

It’ll suck slightly in the short run also since you can’t go to a RAN or EA or most places other then Tesla’s SuperChargers unless Rivian ships a NACS to CCS adaptor (which even Tesla charges extra for), also most L2 chargers are J1772 not NACS (or at least around here Jay Peak has a half dozen L2 Tesla destination chargers and ChargePoint has 100s of L2 J1772 chargers, literally 100s).

If last month’s R1’s had NACS I wouldn’t have had to buy fewer adaptors since I already had NACS in my garage, and could have skipped a few things...still in the grand scheme of things, it is a big...yawn.

Slightly positive, but slightly.

I’ve had both. I prefer CCS, all else equal. It’s safer engineering

 

[theonetruestripes]

How many Chevy, GM, Hyundai, Genesis and KIA ads do you see that tout 800V as primary talking point? None. Range and price is what they talk about.

Most of them don’t have 800V so they don’t talk about it. Hyundai does, and while they don’t run around shouting “800V! 800V!” they do talk about “fast charge up to 80%! Fast!!! Fast Fast charge!"

The first rule of selling is to sell what you have. If it is also what the customer needs, doubly so, but you sell what you got. So selling NCA, talk about how you can charge it to 100%. Selling LiIon? Talk about the range (when at 100% even though you don’t advice charging to 100% frequently!), selling 800V? Talk about how fast it charges! Selling J1772-CCS? Talk about how more J1772 chargers exist then NACS (even though fewer J1772-CCS chargers exist then NACS). Have a luxury car? Sell luxury. Have an off road monster, sell off road adventures! Have a drag racer? Talk 0-60, and 0-100 times, talk quarter mile.

Sell what you got. Maybe it ends up being what the customer needs, or what they dream of needing.

Why do you think so many people end up with pickup trucks despite rarely putting anything in the bed that doesn’t fit in the back of a car, or rarely (maybe never) tow? (am I making fun of R1T owners? Nope! I don’t know if you’ll are exceptions to the rule, or if you are merely happy to buy based on “I might need it some day!”, but I respect that is a choice you get to make when you spend your own money. The process people tend to get to pickup trucks may frequently not involve real needs, but it does involve real desires for the vast majority of people).

 

[theonetruestripes]

I’ve had both. I prefer CCS, all else equal. It’s safer engineering

Is it? What is unsafe about NACS?

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

Most of them don’t have 800V so they don’t talk about it. Hyundai does, and while they don’t run around shouting “800V! 800V!” they do talk about “fast charge up to 80%! Fast!!! Fast Fast charge!"

The first rule of selling is to sell what you have. If it is also what the customer needs, doubly so, but you sell what you got. So selling NCA, talk about how you can charge it to 100%. Selling LiIon? Talk about the range (when at 100% even though you don’t advice charging to 100% frequently!), selling 800V? Talk about how fast it charges! Selling J1772-CCS? Talk about how more J1772 chargers exist then NACS (even though fewer J1772-CCS chargers exist then NACS). Have a luxury car? Sell luxury. Have an off road monster, sell off road adventures! Have a drag racer? Talk 0-60, and 0-100 times, talk quarter mile.

Sell what you got. Maybe it ends up being what the customer needs, or what they dream of needing.

Why do you think so many people end up with pickup trucks despite rarely putting anything in the bed that doesn’t fit in the back of a car, or rarely (maybe never) tow? (am I making fun of R1T owners? Nope! I don’t know if you’ll are exceptions to the rule, or if you are merely happy to buy based on “I might need it some day!”, but I respect that is a choice you get to make when you spend your own money. The process people tend to get to pickup trucks may frequently not involve real needs, but it does involve real desires for the vast majority of people).

All brands I mentioned have 800V offerings. Yes, they talk about it in different way and not literally "800V". But, still not primary message. Good and bad, all ad campaign briefs are guided and shaped by market research. From time to time you get a CMO who says "Eff research" and direct all to execute to his/her vision, born of gut instinct. Sometimes they're right. Usually they're not.

 

[captainjp]

Here we go. Even after they’ve delivered on what everyone wanted in a charge port, the bitch session finds a way…

 

[Dark-Fx]

Here we go. Even after they’ve delivered on what everyone wanted in a charge port, the bitch session finds a way…

A port that doesn't work at a significant number of stations that have the same connector, brilliant.

 

[shrink]

And now you will need 2 adapters ... one for J1772 (AC charging) and one for CCS (DCFC). I wonder if Rivian will be providing those or if you will have to purchase them. The Gravity is also native NACS but does the supply

The Ioniq 5 I recently leased has a NACS port and came with those 2 adapters.

 

[captainjp]

A port that doesn't work at a significant number of stations that have the same connector, brilliant.

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