20" tires and wheels -- "quiet" all-season touring tire recommendations ?

[Torivian]

Ok, I know this thread is not new, but I'm deciding my future tire plan. I currently have the 20" wheels with the PIRELLI SCORPION ALL TERRAIN PLUS... As we all know, they produce the most annoying noise after 15k + miles. I recently bought the NOKIAN HAKKAPELIITTA LT3 for the winter (heard very good reviews).

So here is the question: Now that I have dedicated winter tires and am not looking to do much four-wheeling, I am looking for a "quiet" all-season touring tire as a replacement to the OEM 20" Scorpions. Should I invest in a set of 22" wheels and switch to something like the Scorpion zero all season or just find a new alternative all season for the 20" wheels? Is there a good choice for an all season in the 20" wheel set? Never going back to the 20" OEM Scorpions.

If I go to the 22" wheels, can I set the setting in the car myself, or does Rivian have to revise the calibration?

I am hoping to have a quiet, high milage all-season solution for the spring LMK if anyone has thought this through with good outcomes.

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[ksurfier]

Would recommend the following 3 20” options (33” - 275/60R20):

All of these are going to get ~2.4 miles per kw

34 pounds - General Grabber HTS60 ~$210 ea
Great low cost option, might not deliver on tread life though. Wet stop 140 feet (dry 94), prob best for dry climates since the wet stopping distance is poor…

38 pounds - Pirelli Scorpion AS plus 3 (AS+3) ~$270 ea. likely best option for tread life and performance. Wet stop 112 (dry 90)

40 pounds - Michelin Defender LTX M/S2 ~$300 ea
Great option, highest rated and a well known/loved tire by truck/suv drivers. A little narrow though at 7.8”, likely decent light snow performance too. Wet stop 110.5 feet (dry 89)

 

[ksurfier]

Would recommend the following 3 20” options (33” - 275/60R20):

All of these are going to get ~2.4 miles per kw

34 pounds - General Grabber HTS60 ~$210 ea
Great low cost option, might not deliver on tread life though. Wet stop 140 feet (dry 94), prob best for dry climates since the wet stopping distance is poor…

38 pounds - Pirelli Scorpion AS plus 3 (AS+3) ~$270 ea. likely best option for tread life and performance. Wet stop 112 (dry 90)

40 pounds - Michelin Defender LTX M/S2 ~$300 ea
Great option, highest rated and a well known/loved tire by truck/suv drivers. A little narrow though at 7.8”, likely decent light snow performance too. Wet stop 110.5 feet (dry 89)

It’s also worth noting that the only tire of these 3 that fully meets Rivian load and speed requirements is the Defender, so that may make the decision fairly easy for most people that want to meet specs…

 

[Riviot]

I've put over 15k miles on Pirelli All Season Plus 3s in 275/60R20, even did limited towing with them, and am very pleased. They are very quiet and smooth. I'll keep running them to 4/32", which should be at 35k miles. However, I don't recommend them since the load index is 115 and there are many 116 options now. I only chose them because of limited options in mid 2023 when I was switching.

I recommend Michelin Defender LTX MS2 since you can get either 275/65R20 (same as stock 20" size) or 275/60R20 (matches 21" and 22"stock diameter). My coworker has them on his R1S in 275/60R20 and is very pleased.

 

[Eric9610]

The Michelin Defender LTX MS2 in the 275/60R20 are amazing. I have put 3k on mine already and I will not be switching.

 

[cardad]

Ok, I know this thread is not new, but I'm deciding my future tire plan. I currently have the 20" wheels with the PIRELLI SCORPION ALL TERRAIN PLUS... As we all know, they produce the most annoying noise after 15k + miles. I recently bought the NOKIAN HAKKAPELIITTA LT3 for the winter (heard very good reviews).

So here is the question: Now that I have dedicated winter tires and am not looking to do much four-wheeling, I am looking for a "quiet" all-season touring tire as a replacement to the OEM 20" Scorpions. Should I invest in a set of 22" wheels and switch to something like the Scorpion zero all season or just find a new alternative all season for the 20" wheels? Is there a good choice for an all season in the 20" wheel set? Never going back to the 20" OEM Scorpions.

If I go to the 22" wheels, can I set the setting in the car myself, or does Rivian have to revise the calibration?

I am hoping to have a quiet, high milage all-season solution for the spring LMK if anyone has thought this through with good outcomes.

You cannot calibrate the wheel size yourself. When I went in to get it done they told me they were going to start charging people and it might be a lot because it’s over an hour of labor and they have to take all 4 wheels off on the lift.

I would stick to 20s AS for year round use and get the tires siped by Les Schwab for added winter traction. I have seen nearly every winter condition imaginable in Utah (and even in Iceland) and I don’t think winter tires are necessary for most Rivian owners that aren’t driving on a lot of ice (ie you have salted roads) and even then I’ve taken my R1S on 21s up and down a snow covered gravel road in NM from 8700 ft to 11k ft and tried my hardest to break traction and drive like an idiot and could not. I’ve also tried a lot of winter donuts with traction control on and it is basically impossible.

I have also been stuck in a deep snow drift with no cell service and I can say that snow tires will not help you if you get high centered. You can only dig at that point and maybe use a traction board but it’s mainly digging.

 

[Meltdwn]

Ok, I know this thread is not new, but I'm deciding my future tire plan. I currently have the 20" wheels with the PIRELLI SCORPION ALL TERRAIN PLUS... As we all know, they produce the most annoying noise after 15k + miles. I recently bought the NOKIAN HAKKAPELIITTA LT3 for the winter (heard very good reviews).

So here is the question: Now that I have dedicated winter tires and am not looking to do much four-wheeling, I am looking for a "quiet" all-season touring tire as a replacement to the OEM 20" Scorpions. Should I invest in a set of 22" wheels and switch to something like the Scorpion zero all season or just find a new alternative all season for the 20" wheels? Is there a good choice for an all season in the 20" wheel set? Never going back to the 20" OEM Scorpions.

If I go to the 22" wheels, can I set the setting in the car myself, or does Rivian have to revise the calibration?

I am hoping to have a quiet, high milage all-season solution for the spring LMK if anyone has thought this through with good outcomes.

I’ve had the 20” Michelin Defender LTX Platinum in the OEM tire size on my R1 for over 25k miles. It is a great option. My efficiency is higher than the OEM tire, it rides like a dream and is quiet. I live in the Southeast, so I only expect to see snow couple of times a year in the mountains nearby.

It is an all season, 70k mile tire and I have seen little wear so far so expect to get close to that use. I also like the unique tread pattern and sidewalk look.

 

[riivian]

I just went from the stock factory 21" Pirellis Scorpion 275/55R21 to Michelin Defender LTX Platinum 285/65R20 instead of the smaller Platinum 275/60R20 that most are going with. This gave a much beefier muscular look and an even softer ride.

Along with the Atomic Wheels Satin Black AWZZ: https://atomic-wheels.com/collections/awzz-for-rivian/products/awzz-for-rivian-r1t-r1s-208545br1 which look absolutely amazing too.


Switching from the factory 21-inch wheels with 275/55R21 tires to 20-inch wheels with 285/65R20 tires increases the overall tire diameter from approximately 32.9 inches to 34.6 inches.

Size and weight: 20x8.5" - 25.05 lbs
Offset: +45
PCD (Bolt Pattern): 5x139.7
Center Bore: 64.1 mm
Construction: Forged
Loading rating: 2580 lbs (1170 KG)


Here’s the Detailed Comparison:

1. Current (Stock) Setup:
• Wheel Size: 21 inches
• Tire Size: 275/55R21
• Total Diameter: ~32.9 inches
• Sidewall Height: ~6.0 inches

2. New Setup:
• Wheel Size: 20 inches (Atomic AWZZ Wheels)
• Tire Size: 285/65R20 Michelin Defender LTX Platinum
• Total Diameter: ~34.6 inches
• Sidewall Height: ~7.3 inches


Switching from the factory 21-inch wheels with 275/55R21 tires to 20-inch wheels with 285/65R20 tires increases the overall tire diameter from approximately 32.9 inches to 34.6 inches. This 5.2% increase means that when your speedometer reads 60 mph, your actual speed is about 63.1 mph—a difference of approximately 3.1 mph.


After Rivian updates the vehicle’s settings to the factory 20-inch configuration (275/65R20 tires with a diameter of about 34 inches), the speedometer will be calibrated for that size. With the 285/65R20 tires being still slightly larger (34.6 inches), there will be a residual difference. In this case, when the speedometer reads 60 mph, your actual speed will be approximately 60.9 mph—a difference of about 0.9 mph. I hope this helps!!


So far no rubbing at all even in the Low setting, have not tried Lowest yet on a turn at speed.

 

[922110]

Supposedly the Michelin Defender LTX M/S2 is coming out in 275/65R20 on December 1st. I would strongly recommend that as a general purpose all season that's quiet and efficient. I'm going to swap to it the day I pickup my tri-motor.

How are your Nokian LT3's? Are they studded? I wish Nokian would bring out the R5 SUV in this size.

 

[Atomic Wheels]

I just went from the stock factory 21" Pirellis Scorpion 275/55R21 to Michelin Defender LTX Platinum 285/65R20 instead of the smaller Platinum 275/60R20 that most are going with. This gave a much beefier muscular look and an even softer ride.

Along with the Atomic Wheels Satin Black AWZZ: https://atomic-wheels.com/collections/awzz-for-rivian/products/awzz-for-rivian-r1t-r1s-208545br1 which look absolutely amazing too.


Switching from the factory 21-inch wheels with 275/55R21 tires to 20-inch wheels with 285/65R20 tires increases the overall tire diameter from approximately 32.9 inches to 34.6 inches.

Size and weight: 20x8.5" - 25.05 lbs
Offset: +45
PCD (Bolt Pattern): 5x139.7
Center Bore: 64.1 mm
Construction: Forged
Loading rating: 2580 lbs (1170 KG)


Here’s the Detailed Comparison:

1. Current (Stock) Setup:
• Wheel Size: 21 inches
• Tire Size: 275/55R21
• Total Diameter: ~32.9 inches
• Sidewall Height: ~6.0 inches

2. New Setup:
• Wheel Size: 20 inches (Atomic AWZZ Wheels)
• Tire Size: 285/65R20 Michelin Defender LTX Platinum
• Total Diameter: ~34.6 inches
• Sidewall Height: ~7.3 inches


Switching from the factory 21-inch wheels with 275/55R21 tires to 20-inch wheels with 285/65R20 tires increases the overall tire diameter from approximately 32.9 inches to 34.6 inches. This 5.2% increase means that when your speedometer reads 60 mph, your actual speed is about 63.1 mph—a difference of approximately 3.1 mph.


After Rivian updates the vehicle’s settings to the factory 20-inch configuration (275/65R20 tires with a diameter of about 34 inches), the speedometer will be calibrated for that size. With the 285/65R20 tires being still slightly larger (34.6 inches), there will be a residual difference. In this case, when the speedometer reads 60 mph, your actual speed will be approximately 60.9 mph—a difference of about 0.9 mph. I hope this helps!!


So far no rubbing at all even in the Low setting, have not tried Lowest yet on a turn at speed.

Hi! Thank you very much for the mention and for choosing Atomic Wheels. Enjoy your wheels!

 

[LeftMySoulinNM]

The Michelin Defender LTX MS2 in the 275/60R20 are amazing. I have put 3k on mine already and I will not be switching.

PSA Michelin is releasing Defender LTX MS2 in the stock 275/65/R20 on Dec 1. I will be waiting for those. All these folks going down to 60s with widely reported good results but seemingly overlooking the major issue for me: - Artificially increasing the vehicle odometer - this is the deal breaker for me. I was willing to overlook the speedo inaccuracy but failed to realize at first the odometer will be off also (duh). For a vehicle under warranty, I have zero interest in reaching the end of that coverage period earlier, no matter how small the time period is. This is a result of Rivian’s widely reported refusal to allow us to change the tire size in the vehicle software either DIY or at the service center (unless I assume you buy a brand new set of wheels with the stock tire). Pirelli A/S are not the correct weight rating leaving the Michelins anyway. My $.02

 

[Eric9610]

PSA Michelin is releasing Defender LTX MS2 in the stock 275/65/R20 on Dec 1. I will be waiting for those. All these folks going down to 60s with widely reported good results but seemingly overlooking the major issue for me: - Artificially increasing the vehicle odometer - this is the deal breaker for me. I was willing to overlook the speedo inaccuracy but failed to realize at first the odometer will be off also (duh). For a vehicle under warranty, I have zero interest in reaching the end of that coverage period earlier, no matter how small the time period is. This is a result of Rivian’s widely reported refusal to allow us to change the tire size in the vehicle software either DIY or at the service center (unless I assume you buy a brand new set of wheels with the stock tire). Pirelli A/S are not the correct weight rating leaving the Michelins anyway. My $.02

If you have the 21’s like most who are switching to the 60 the diameter is the same and no over mileage. If you have the 20’s from factory yes you will be out of spec.

 

[Riviot]

This is a result of Rivian’s widely reported refusal to allow us to change the tire size in the vehicle software either DIY or at the service center (unless I assume you buy a brand new set of wheels with the stock tire).

Not true, a few of us have had the size changed. YSCMV (your service center may vary)

 

[Eric9610]

Here is an amazing link that will actually tell you the difference when changing tire size.

Link

 

[LeftMySoulinNM]

Not true, a few of us have had the size changed. YSCMV (your service center may vary)

Glad to hear. Any reports of this being possible with mobile service?

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