Article: How do I get free Rivian-approved NACS DC adapter? Shipping in April!

[Zoidz]

I'll take one for the team and give up my Jan 2021 preorder position for somone who really really need an adapter. I probably won't use one this year, if ever. Opening bids start at $220. j/k

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[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

This also seems to confirm that the adapter DOES NOT include an extension cable.

Why would it? There was never any indication "adapter" = "adapter + extension". Word of extension is a separate thing put out by Tesla, as a future product that one could buy from them.

 

[Acoustic71]

Unapproved doesn't mean unsafe to use.

If it's too much risk for some of y'all, then wait.

"hold my beer and watch this!"

 

[brancky3]

I'll take one for the team and give up my Jan 2021 preorder position for somone who really really need an adapter. I probably won't use one this year, if ever. Opening bids start at $220. j/k

It matters when you took delivery, not when you ordered.

 

[Zoidz]

It matters when you took delivery, not when you ordered.

You overlooked earlier discussions about some people suggesting it should be based on order date, shareholder statsus, etc. It was a "tongue in cheek" reference to those comments.

I am wondering what constitutes the "priority for longest standing owners". We are some of the earliest Rivian adopters on 11/28/18, but did not take delivery until 04/26/23.

How about priority for long-term shareholders? I heard another EV company is doing that, jus sayin....

It would have been nice to think that Rivian's earliest customers would get at least a little consideration.

 

[Dark-Fx]

I'll take one for the team and give up my Jan 2021 preorder position for somone who really really need an adapter. I probably won't use one this year, if ever. Opening bids start at $220. j/k

I'm still waiting for the inevitable youtuber teardown so I don't have to volunteer mine when it comes.

 

[Zoidz]

I'm still waiting for the inevitable youtuber teardown so I don't have to volunteer mine when it comes.

And perhaps they will also post a 3D printable model on Thingiverse. ?

 

[brancky3]

You overlooked earlier discussions about some people suggesting it should be based on order date, shareholder statsus, etc. It was a "tongue in cheek" reference to those comments.

lol my bad, thanks for the context! In that case, I started dreaming about an electric truck back in 2016ish, so I guess I should be #1? I'll sell my spot for $10k

 

[Dark-Fx]

And perhaps they will also post a 3D printable model on Thingiverse. ?

That's not a bad idea. I don't know anyone who'd let me use their markforged metal X though.

 

[RivianPioneer]

Good. Only lost one case on liability grounds but it was worth taking to trial anyway based on the amount of damages. Had one case dismissed because we could never locate the defendant for service. Never lost a motion for summary judgment. Every other case has resulted in settlements or verdicts in excess of my clients' damages. All verdict amounts have exceeded offers of settlement.

The bigger question is, how many cases have you tried to verdict? Even more relevant questions are, how many product liability cases have you tried? How many cases that needed electrical and mechanical engineers have you tried? I'm a lawyer, too, and I know better than to claim I know it all when it comes to law. I stick to my area of specialty and realize I am not an expert in anything else. Even in my specialty area, I have learned over the years that there are no absolutes, only educated guesses.

 

[Trandall]

Pardon OB1, but I am new to the Rivian Universe, and still learning its ways and element of time. However, this one should be easy to speed up the typical Rivian time continuium since the adapter is likely made by a third party, already under production and even warehoused, and shipped by a Fullfillment service. I would think the limit is production capacity and time to the fulfillment center, which should be 10,000-20,000+ units/month. But yes, even with my optimistic assessment, that may still be up to 8 months for those of us with recent deliveries. I'm making your case--Are you an A2Z or Lectron plant?

You may well be close with the guess-timate of 10K-20K units a month however keep in mind that so far their appears to be a single approved manufacturer for all auto brands meaning Rivian is competing with Fords order of 200K units and soon GM is likely to place an order for another 250K units, and Polestar etc... even if production is 30K units/month some owners are gonna wait over a year. Unless this is inaccurate I am expecting to see approved units on the secondary market for >$500.

 

[carsly]

Please tell me Superchargers won't be clogged with Chevy Bolts pegged at 50kw charging to 100%...

 

[Hillbilly]

The bigger question is, how many cases have you tried to verdict? Even more relevant questions are, how many product liability cases have you tried? How many cases that needed electrical and mechanical engineers have you tried? I'm a lawyer, too, and I know better than to claim I know it all when it comes to law. I stick to my area of specialty and realize I am not an expert in anything else. Even in my specialty area, I have learned over the years that there are no absolutes, only educated guesses.

I can say with certainty that I have handled exactly zero cases involving melting Rivians. Anecdotally, both of my brothers are engineers and defense contractors. One electrical and one mechanical. The electrical wired up my RV for solar and did the level two charger install in my home. He's got an EV too and doesn't see any issues with using the A2Z adapter. That's good enough for me.

 

[Chrisy]

I am by no means any lawyer or whatnot.
But I am wondering if OEMs can force you to only use the Tesla supplied adapter. Even if Tesla forced a contract on them in exchange for the adapter supply.
That sounds a lot like monopoly and market control to me which supposed to be a no-no.

This is why we have certifications and regulations in place. Like Apple's lightning connectors.
Apple produced cables are not the only ones that we could use but Apple had to create a certification system (let's not talk about how strict it was...) to open up manufacturing to other parties who meet the criterias.
(Probably Apple would have loved to be the only one who can manufacture lightning connectors and create a monopoly on it)

I would assume this should be the same here. The issue is that the official UL guide lags behind. But as soon that goes live and 3rd party manufacturers certify to that then those 3rd party adapter s shall be accepted on liability level. I think OEM cannot reject liability for those.

Otherwise it would be (the current situation) that Tesla's manufacturing capabilities will limit the market and thus they can set any price they want in their monopoly. Also they can artificially limit the market to do price gauging, etc. Because they are the only allowed player on the field.
Sounds like an artificial liability limitation imposed purposefully to keep their monopoly?

I would be highly surprised that when official certifications come then the 3rd party adapters that adhere to those certifications could be called a liability issue by the OEMs. You can go to trial against Tesla(?) on the basis of monopoly if that would happen?

It is like Toyota would say you can only use Shell gas stations' 95 gasoline or they are not liable for the engine failures. Sounds crazy, don't it?
There is a reason why it is regulated what a 95 GAS is and all OEMs must accept liability if the user uses any gasoline that meets that regulations.

Just my 2c

 

[supernu8]

keep in mind that so far their appears to be a single approved manufacturer for all auto brands meaning Rivian is competing with Fords order of 200K units and soon GM is likely to place an order for another 250K units, and Polestar etc...

Would have been wise for Rivian to secure a fixed allocation of units on a timeline when they agreed to team up with Tesla. The announcement that shipping will start in april seems to support this.

No way they are just going to wait in line for whatever is left over after Ford gets their units. The ford adapters on backorder is probably due to demand outweighing their agreed allocation timeline.

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