Did RJ just say we get access to the Tesla network at the end of this month on the R2 reveal?

[mkhuffman]

No you can’t. There is no 3rd party adapter currently available and Rivian has clearly stated that the one they will provide is the only one authorized to use…so find and use another one at your own risk…

Yes you can.

I would be willing to buy the NACS adapter, but I understand that only the one provided by Rivian will work. I guess that makes it the free one or nothing.

I am also wonder if these adapters will also work level 2 NACS chargers.

Brian

The adapter is available to order now:
https://a2zevshop.com/products/nacs-ccs1?variant=43186507579592

Many Ford Lightning and MME owners have tested it, and it works just fine. It will also work just fine with Rivian vehicles when Tesla opens the SC network to Rivian.

It's unreasonable for a company to reward their first wave of customers buying $80,000+ vehicles? IMO the PR alone from them giving out adapters for free is going to make it worth it. 57k vehicles sold last year multiplied by what, $80 per adapter at cost? That's only $5M, or about the same cost as a 30 second Superbowl commercial.

It is totally unreasonable considering Rivian is losing literally billions of dollars every year, and tens of thousands of dollars for every R1 produced. They have to stop the cash bleeding, and sending out free adapters is obviously not the way to do that. In fact, I think it is irresponsible for them to send out free adapters.

Ford can afford it, but even that surprised me. I was ready to pay for my Ford adapter, and did not expect a free one at all. It does make me feel better about the brand, but Rivian cannot afford to do what Ford did.

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[mpw81]

I'll take one for the team and volunteer to be at the END of the delivery list!

99.9% of my charging is done at either my primary home or vacation home and there is a RAN halfway. In my area, 3rd party chargers are much more prevalent that Tesla SuperChargers. I'm not really sure I would even use the adapter in the next year.

Same. I've used RANs in Salida, Montrose and GJ for in state adventures a couple of times. Otherwise, in 20 months of ownership, my only other DCFC charging was on holiday road trip to PHX area to see my inlaws, which I don't anticipate feeling obligated to do again for a while... hopefully. Using SCs on that trip would have been useful, but we got by just fine with EA and the Holbrook range with no issues.

 

[Redline]

Yes you can.



The adapter is available to order now:
https://a2zevshop.com/products/nacs-ccs1?variant=43186507579592

Many Ford Lightning and MME owners have tested it, and it works just fine. It will also work just fine with Rivian vehicles when Tesla opens the SC network to Rivian.



It is totally unreasonable considering Rivian is losing literally billions of dollars every year, and tens of thousands of dollars for every R1 produced. They have to stop the cash bleeding, and sending out free adapters is obviously not the way to do that. In fact, I think it is irresponsible for them to send out free adapters.

Ford can afford it, but even that surprised me. I was ready to pay for my Ford adapter, and did not expect a free one at all. It does make me feel better about the brand, but Rivian cannot afford to do what Ford did.

One issue and you're on the hook.

I wouldn't touch a 3rd party adapter for this.

 

[Jblaze121]

So lectron made a bunch of adapters we can’t use? How long to test and rebrand as rivian adapter? Seems like an easy business deal for rivian to make.

I’m fairly certain my $100 R2 reservation will cover the adapter they send me in the near term. It’s not like that money is going to be held in a separate account at Rivian.

 

[brancky3]

It is totally unreasonable considering Rivian is losing literally billions of dollars every year, and tens of thousands of dollars for every R1 produced.

The metric of money lost per car is misleading. It’s not like it costs them $110k to produce a single car that they’re selling for $100k. They’re most definitely making a profit on every vehicle but still losing money due to sunk costs like R&D.

 

[SANZC02]

The metric of money lost per car is misleading. It’s not like it costs them $110k to produce a single car that they’re selling for $100k. They’re most definitely making a profit on every vehicle but still losing money due to sunk costs like R&D.

I just do not understand why people are having such a hard time understanding this.

 

[EarlyAdptr]

We're all assuming Rivian has to actually pay for the cost of the adaptor sent to us. Do we know that for sure?

Couldn't a compelling business case be made that Tesla would cover some (all?) of the costs - so they can make more money on the margin of electricity to non-tesla vehicle owners? Anyon know if they are making money on the electricity sold to non-tesla owners?

 

[TexasBob]

Rivian promised free adapters and they are on the hook for that without seeing another pr mess. They should absolutely charge $50 shipping and handling to offset some of the costs, IMO.

 

[SANZC02]

We're all assuming Rivian has to actually pay for the cost of the adaptor sent to us. Do we know that for sure?

Couldn't a compelling business case be made that Tesla would cover some (all?) of the costs - so they can make more money on the margin of electricity to non-tesla vehicle owners? Anyon know if they are making money on the electricity sold to non-tesla owners?

This is 6 months old but has some information…

 

[mkhuffman]

One issue and you're on the hook.

I wouldn't touch a 3rd party adapter for this.

Then I suppose you won't use a L2 Tesla destination charger adapter since it wasn't provided by Rivian? And I suppose you purchased the Rivian home L2 EVSE and won't use a L2 EVSE unless it is made by Rivian?

 

[RWerksman]

I'm down with them charging for it.

That said, if they are going to promise a free adapter, I'm insisting that they follow through on the promise. It's more important that they uphold their word than bank $2M or whatever. The PR alone for the move is worth the cost.

 

[RWerksman]

Then I suppose you won't use a L2 Tesla destination charger adapter since it wasn't provided by Rivian? And I suppose you purchased the Rivian home L2 EVSE and won't use a L2 EVSE unless it is made by Rivian?

It's risk management.

At 220V it will melt the EVSE. At 20-30 time the power, it's fire time, baby. I'm OK with replacing the $500 Tesla EVSE. Less so with a 5-figure commercial charger + ancillary equipment and damage.

Insurance won't cover that if you're using a non-approved device -- that comes 100% out of pocket.

 

[mkhuffman]

I just do not understand why people are having such a hard time understanding this.

Because it isn't true.

The metric of money lost per car is misleading. It’s not like it costs them $110k to produce a single car that they’re selling for $100k. They’re most definitely making a profit on every vehicle but still losing money due to sunk costs like R&D.

Rivian is a publicly traded company.

Can you show me where in their financial statements it says they are making a marginal profit on every vehicle produced? Because from what I have seen, they are reporting that they are losing money on every vehicle produced, not including fixed cost, R&D, and other investments.

So if you can show me where in the financial statements Rivian says that, then I'll believe you. Otherwise, I think you are mistaken.

 

[SANZC02]

I would adjust everyone’s expectation on this access.

I do not see us getting access this month, it is already the 8th and the 2024.07.01 has not started public release yet. There is no mention in the notes for 2024.07 about SC access and the access will require an update.

It is still possible but my best guess is the earliest we could see this is mid to late April with the next OTA.

 

[mkhuffman]

It's risk management.

At 220V it will melt the EVSE. At 20-30 time the power, it's fire time, baby. I'm OK with replacing the $500 Tesla EVSE. Less so with a 5-figure commercial charger + ancillary equipment and damage.

Insurance won't cover that if you're using a non-approved device -- that comes 100% out of pocket.

A bad EVSE connector can absolutely damage a vehicle. I've heard of it happening to others, but not to me.

What happens if there's something wrong with the adapter and it damages your car? Are you saying Rivian has a warranty that will cover that damage? I am pretty sure Ford doesn't have that kind of warranty on the adapter. But I have not researched it, so you could be right.

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