Experience shopping for an EV9 vs R1S - Update

[White Shadow]

That doesn't carry weight with me. I had a tuned heavily modified manual 335i coupe that was no slouch either. The rivian is simply much more capable in the ways I just mentioned. I'd rather have had my bmw for track days. Rivian for daily driving.

What I'm saying is that I'm quite sure that your tuned 335i was more than adequate enough to do anything on the street and through traffic. Nobody needs 0-60 in 3 seconds. Nobody needs 800+ HP. Not on public streets, anyway. That's why I'd trade that kind of performance for efficiency (and range) all day every day.

Sponsored

 

[TollKeeper]

You forgot the (significant) dealer markup on a new Kia. Wheres do you think you are buying an EV9 at MSRP?
Also, shop your trade with Carvana, Driveway etc …you’ll probably get a better deal (even acknowledging the tax incentive to trade). Rivian isn’t in the business of selling used cars and will simply offer a little below current auction value (plus their costs to transport)…

Fowler Kia in Greeley has advertised to no dealer mark up, and has not done a dealer mark up since they opened. They quoted me a EV9 GT Line with no dealer mark up as well.

 

[Hillbilly]

What I'm saying is that I'm quite sure that your tuned 335i was more than adequate enough to do anything on the street and through traffic. Nobody needs 0-60 in 3 seconds. Nobody needs 800+ HP. Not on public streets, anyway. That's why I'd trade that kind of performance for efficiency (and range) all day every day.

I'm not saying it's needed. I'm just saying that the acceleration proves more useful to me on a daily basis than extra range that I don't need or use.

As a side note, that 335i just didn't have good daily driver manners. I had to upgrade my clutch three times to a high pressure ceramic one to get it to hold under wot. It was hurky jerky as hell in light stop and go traffic. I'm in love with his rivian made such a beast that is so easy to drive.

 

[Mark_AZR1T]

I am actively being courted by Ford to buy a Lightning and am in limbo with the Rivian process. I could pick up a Lightning today for $20k less than the R1T (okay, $19k with the non-refundable deposit I already put down on the R1T). Sure, it can be argued that the R1T is a better vehicle, and I despise dealerships. But... Every hour I don't hear back from R puts me that much closer to F.

I'd wait for Ford to build a purposely designed electric truck, not the current retrofit EV on a truck chassis, but it's hard to argue with $19K, that is a lot of money to me.

 

[Mark_AZR1T]

What I'm saying is that I'm quite sure that your tuned 335i was more than adequate enough to do anything on the street and through traffic. Nobody needs 0-60 in 3 seconds. Nobody needs 800+ HP. Not on public streets, anyway. That's why I'd trade that kind of performance for efficiency (and range) all day every day.

We don't think alike.....you would be better off stating, "I don't need"......

 

[TollKeeper]

We don't think alike.....you would be better off stating, "I don't need"......

A-F**KING-Men!

I couldnt think of a way to say it without calling him out.. You did it thou.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

I'd wait for Ford to build a purposely designed electric truck, not the current retrofit EV on a truck chassis, but it's hard to argue with $19K, that is a lot of money to me.

I mostly agree.
However, I'm in the mindset of going all electric, and there are two options for me to accomplish that: Lightning or R1T.

IMO, there aren't any other BEV pickups that are even worth considering. I was hoping the Fisker Atlas would be promising, but I'm spooked away from Fisker by its Ocean failures.

The $20k is huge to me too. And while I talked myself into ordering an R1T, I could get a Lightning tomorrow and in 3-5 years get the purpose-built Ford e-truck. It almost seems like doing both could be done for less than the cost of the R1T.

And while Rivian's process isn't as miserable as fighting with a dealer, it's not inviting and it's not making the decision to buy the R1T any easier. And it's certainly not worth $20k.

 

[Dark-Fx]

What I'm saying is that I'm quite sure that your tuned 335i was more than adequate enough to do anything on the street and through traffic. Nobody needs 0-60 in 3 seconds. Nobody needs 800+ HP. Not on public streets, anyway. That's why I'd trade that kind of performance for efficiency (and range) all day every day.

No one needs a car because they could choose to live somewhere with adequate public transit.

 

[mkg3]

Response from my guide:

"Since our offers are only good for 45 days, we don't have a way to provide an estimate until you start the purchase process, which would require you to place a deposit on a new order and confirm your configuration."

So no clear way to get an estimate without starting the buying process.

This thread would have been much cleaner, if the title was something like
"Rivian purchasing/trade-in is out of touch with other options"

where the focus is in the process and not EV9 vs R1S, as the title suggests.

 

[White Shadow]

No one needs a car because they could choose to live somewhere with adequate public transit.

Or if not, they could take an Uber everywhere, right? So what was the point you were trying to make?

 

[Dark-Fx]

Or if not, they could take an Uber everywhere, right? So what was the point you were trying to make?

My point is you're projecting what matters to you onto what's important for other folks, and it's stupid to do that.

 

[White Shadow]

We don't think alike.....you would be better off stating, "I don't need"......

No, literally "nobody needs' is correct. You seem to not understand the difference between wants and needs. But that's okay, that's the beauty of having a choice. And it's one of the reasons why I drive what I drive today. And will continue to drive whatever I want to drive in the future. I vote with my purchases, just like everyone else.

The point of this thread is that there will be people who purchase the Kia over the Rivian for several different reasons. And that's fine, again...it comes to choice.

 

[White Shadow]

My point is you're projecting what matters to you onto what's important for other folks, and it's stupid to do that.

No, actually I wasn't doing that at all. I was stating what matters to me, not what matters to you. My statement about what people need versus what they want still stands though. Maybe I want a 2,000 HP Rimac Nevera, but I certainly don't need one. The difference here should be obvious.

 

[White Shadow]

I'm not saying it's needed. I'm just saying that the acceleration proves more useful to me on a daily basis than extra range that I don't need or use.

As a side note, that 335i just didn't have good daily driver manners. I had to upgrade my clutch three times to a high pressure ceramic one to get it to hold under wot. It was hurky jerky as hell in light stop and go traffic. I'm in love with his rivian made such a beast that is so easy to drive.

Acceleration is good. I don't need to hit 60 miles an hour from a stop in 3 seconds under any circumstances on the street. That's what I'm saying. The only place that would be needed is a drag strip where I"m having fun. So I'd glady give up that 3 second run for a 6 second run if it would provide another 100 miles of range. EVs are already lacking in range compared to ICE cars, so to have parity, I'd rather see more range and less performance. You apparently disagree and that's fine.

Regarding your 335i....if you're going to build a car, you really need to do it right. No way is a stock clutch going to handle the extra power/torque when you start getting into serious modifcations and tuning. I went with a South Bend clutch in my Audi and kept the dual-mass flywheel. That way, I had all the benefits of the stock clutch set up and a lot more clamping force with the South Bend pressure plate and clutch. It still feels like the stock clutch, but doesn't slip at all and that's pretty good for a quattro Audi that doesn't spin it's tires. The clutch is a key part of putting power to the ground in a powerful AWD car.

 

[Mark_AZR1T]

No, literally "nobody needs' is correct. You seem to not understand the difference between wants and needs. But that's okay, that's the beauty of having a choice. And it's one of the reasons why I drive what I drive today. And will continue to drive whatever I want to drive in the future. I vote with my purchases, just like everyone else.

The point of this thread is that there will be people who purchase the Kia over the Rivian for several different reasons. And that's fine, again...it comes to choice.

Can you help me understand why somone doesn't need something?

Sponsored