Latest on Rivian's move to NACS?

[R1Thor]

Didn’t they accelerate ford forward 2 months? They’re going live in February.

Yes, but HOW MANY are they going to open up?

I've heard they have zero plans to open beyond 10% of their current total network, period. It's all speculation and supposition, so I'm not giving it full credence, BUT I've also not heard any reliable numbers (no one is suggesting they're opening the ENTIRE network, are they?).

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[emoore]

Yes, but HOW MANY are they going to open up?

I've heard they have zero plans to open beyond 10% of their current total network, period. It's all speculation and supposition, so I'm not giving it full credence, BUT I've also not heard any reliable numbers (no one is suggesting they're opening the ENTIRE network, are they?).

Rivian's email said more than 12000 chargers which implies all V3 and V4 superchargers. That's over half the supercharger network, not 10%.

 

[R1Thor]

Rivian's email said more than 12000 chargers which implies all V3 and V4 superchargers. That's over half the supercharger network, not 10%.

Thanks! I genuinely had no idea ?

 

[emoore]

If Ford and GM start having access to the non magic dock superchargers (V3 and V4) in Feb/March I will feel confident that Rivian will have access in Mar/Apr.

 

[WorldComposting]

0 confrontation here. Just wondering where you are road tripping to? I have done Houston to Buffalo twice now and it's crazy how many more chargers there were November of 23, compared too July of 22'.

I can now go from western ny to Disney with all but 1 RAN.

So many Superchargers with the magic dock have opened up as well.

I know through the plains still isn't the greatest.

They are adding a lot when going south but try going north towards Maine. Once you are north of Delaware there aren't any RAN chargers yet and a lot of the stops have Tesla chargers without magic dock. Yes RAN will be opening but until then charging at EA is a crapshoot on if the charger will work or have a 40+ minute wait in line to charge.

 

[mkg3]

Interesting read...

People respond with distaste of Tesla, yet want sooner access of Superchargers.

It's not just up to Tesla. The other manufacturers need to update their firmware/software to communicate with SC network. It's not just an adapter for the plug in. Tesla SC has no payment screen or any means to pay at the terminal.

The billing is done through communication between VIN-maker-Tesla, not just cc payment at when you charge. Think of RAN when you plug in R1, where it connects and authorizes the billing using CC on your account. Similar setup is required for ALL mfg using the SC.

No, it's not just get the Tesla app and pay for it, like the Magic Dock. The legacy mfgs want to own their customer data, as already stated by them.

 

[agsogg]

Spring starts March 19th. The email said "as early as" so they have wiggle room to push this back. No further official guidance from Rivian or Tesla.

Now pure speculation on my part but here goes...

Tesla will open things up in phases. Ford and GM will go first.... Then I would expect Rivian to follow. Tesla will likely be making some major changes during this time too to manage traffic at their chargers.

We can't have Chevy Bolts and Ford Mach E sitting there charging to 100%. I expect Tesla will implement congestion charges, idle fees, etc to strongly discourage some of the behaviors that make EA such a miserable experience in most areas.

I expect there to be a lot of growing pains when this starts.

Why can’t we have Bolts and Mach Es using these chargers? I certainly hope it’s not an entitlement thing.

 

[White Shadow]

I think this may impact sales, as there will be people who are holding off purchasing until they can buy a Rivian with the new charge port installed and operational.

IMO, they should really push hard to get this rolling.

 

[Dark-Fx]

People respond with distaste of Tesla, yet want sooner access of Superchargers.

It's not just up to Tesla. The other manufacturers need to update their firmware/software to communicate with SC network. It's not just an adapter for the plug in. Tesla SC has no payment screen or any means to pay at the terminal.

There's no reason Tesla couldn't let people bring their own adapter and just use a Tesla account, besides the obvious safety implications. Tesla's v3 and v4 stations speak the same language that a CCS station does.

 

[vandy1981]

There's no reason Tesla couldn't let people bring their own adapter and just use a Tesla account, besides the obvious safety implications. Tesla's v3 and v4 stations speak the same language that a CCS station does.

That would also remove their ability to throttle onboarding of other manufacturers. Among other things, this will make the change less jarring to existing Tesla customers who will have to deal with higher congestion at V3 superchargers.

 

[Craigins]

Why can’t we have Bolts and Mach Es using these chargers? I certainly hope it’s not an entitlement thing.

You missed the part of the sentence that is the problem. "Charging to 100%".

Certain manufacturers have offered free charging for a period after purchase. So instead of charging at home, many buyers will go to the DCFC and charge to 100% when 100% charge isn't needed. It rudely ties up the chargers.

 

[RivianPioneer]

In Rivian'ese "as early as xxx" means "not before the last day of xxx"

I'll be surprised if we get it before June 20th. June 19th is still technically spring, and Rivian does not have a track record of doing anything ahead of schedule.

I wouldn't put any of this on Rivian if it gets delayed. This is 100% controlled by Tesla - Rivian wants this to happen yesterday I'm sure - it only benefits them. Tesla, on the other hand, has many financial and technical reasons that could delay it. As someone commented above, when it comes to Tesla and their announced timelines, 9 out of 10 times, they don't meet their timetables. Overpromising is one of the things that Tesla does best. They always seem to get there, but it's almost always much later than they say they will.

 

[moosetags]

We are greatly looking forward to being able to utilize the Tesla Supercharger system. The will make trips with our Airstream Travel Trailer doable. I just hope that we get this by late summer/early fall.

Brian

 

[mkg3]

There's no reason Tesla couldn't let people bring their own adapter and just use a Tesla account, besides the obvious safety implications. Tesla's v3 and v4 stations speak the same language that a CCS station does.

Figure you'd say that...

Here's an article from Consumer Report dated 1/16/24:
https://www.consumerreports.org/car...s-open-to-other-evs-what-to-know-a9262067544/

Couple of quotes from the article:

"...Magic Dock users must use the Tesla app instead of enjoying the seamless experience of simply plugging in for payment...."

and

"In addition to needing the adapter, automakers will have to write new software that allows non-Tesla vehicles to work with the Supercharger software. “You’re going to have a software update in most of these vehicles in order to have the vehicle communicate with the Superchargers,” says Sam Abuelsamid, principal research analyst at consulting firm Guidehouse Insights."

 

[Dark-Fx]

Figure you'd say that...

Here's an article from Consumer Report dated 1/16/24:
https://www.consumerreports.org/car...s-open-to-other-evs-what-to-know-a9262067544/

Couple of quotes from the article:

"...Magic Dock users must use the Tesla app instead of enjoying the seamless experience of simply plugging in for payment...."

and

"In addition to needing the adapter, automakers will have to write new software that allows non-Tesla vehicles to work with the Supercharger software. “You’re going to have a software update in most of these vehicles in order to have the vehicle communicate with the Superchargers,” says Sam Abuelsamid, principal research analyst at consulting firm Guidehouse Insights."

It's totally dependent on how Tesla wants it to be implemented and is absolutely not a techincal requirement to make them work at the most basic level.

If Tesla wants the plug and charge experience like existing Teslas, and aren't doing that negotiation in the adapters themselves, then yes, the CCS vehicles that don't currently support plug and charge need some form of an update. Existing vehicles that support plug and charge may not actually need an update since the certificate verification is handled external to the vehicle.

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