CyberTruck is more than Stainless Steel...Tesla excels at Engineering in so many ways.

[Rivian Head]

That's not going to happen. None of my comments that follow are CT hate on my part, just objective facts, if you think objectively.

Work truck fleet buyers will not buy it because the bed and tailgate are poorly designed for use as a daily work truck. My company buys 2 - 3 pickups a year for our small fleet, no way will the CT bed layout work for what we do and we have a pretty common use case.

Most of the guys in our craft worker job positions drive pickups as their personal ride. They are not going to drive something that looks like the CT, and the majority of them are anti-EV. I have had some interesting discussions at work after they saw my R1S.

I see you are from Denver - have you driven east to Kansas, Oklahoma, Missouri, etc. and see the number of Ford pickups? Even if they were accepting of EVs, you can drive 30-40 miles without passing a GAS station, let alone an EV charging station. Ask them if they would buy a CT. You know the answer.

I probably know 50 or more people that drive pickups. Not a single one of them has expressed interest in an EV pickup after learning that I have a Rivian. Not a single one.

You bring up a good point regarding a traditional rural buyers. Yet most of reservation holders are non traditional truck buyers. Traditional truck buyers aren’t likely look at CT as their first choice. Ford sold 720k F150 2021. CT has close to 2 million reservation holders. The recent survey found about 1/3 will order it. Plus new buyers. If Tesla can produce 800k CT today, it will replace F150 as the #1 selling truck overnight. The limiting factor is not the demand, but it is manufacturing. Now the question is if the demand will remain strong after the initial hype is gone while ramping up production. At least my math says it is possible. The same thing happened with model Y 5 yrs ago. Now it is the best selling car in the world. CT’s specs are much better than any ICE trucks. Only if Elon lowers price by $20k in 5 yrs…..

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[Zoidz]

You bring up a good point regarding a traditional rural buyers. Yet most of reservation holders are non traditional truck buyers. Traditional truck buyers aren’t likely look at CT as their first choice. Ford sold 720k F150 2021. CT has close to 2 million reservation holders. The recent survey found about 1/3 will order it. Plus new buyers. If Tesla can produce 800k CT today, it will replace F150 as the #1 selling truck overnight. The limiting factor is not the demand, but it is manufacturing. Now the question is if the demand will remain strong after the initial hype is gone while ramping up production. At least my math says it is possible. The same thing happened with model Y 5 yrs ago. Now it is the best selling car in the world. CT’s specs are much better than any ICE trucks. Only if Elon lowers price by $20k in 5 yrs…..

Agree, the math makes it possible. But IMO the demographics of the buyers don't.

Also, I do not follow Tesla sales quarter by quarter. But I do know that when Musk claimed the Y was the best selling vehicle in the 1Q/2Q 23 timeframe, he was proven wrong by multiple sources. I don't know if that changed in Q3.

Is Tesla Model Y The World’s Best-Selling Car? Nope, Not Even Close

Problem is, on all the charts we could find from Tesla as well as from fawning electric-vehicle sites reporting on them, the company groups Model Y production and sales with Model 3 production and sales. Tesla delivered 412,180 Models 3/Y globally in the first quarter, and we can’t find the breakout among the two.

We reached out to Toyota for Corolla numbers, and the automaker reports it sold 740,561 Corollas worldwide in the first quarter of this year, counting all versions including the Cross. That’s about 75% more than Tesla, even if you count the Model 3 in with the Model Y. Sorry, Elon, not even close.

 

[Rivian Head]

 

[Zoidz]

We reached out to Toyota for Corolla numbers, and the automaker reports it sold 740,561 Corollas worldwide in the first quarter of this year, counting all versions including the Cross. That’s about 75% more than Tesla, even if you count the Model 3 in with the Model Y. Sorry, Elon, not even close.

So which data source is correct? I suspect we won't eally know until next year, when the annual reports give the true counts for 2023.

 

[Rivian Head]

Will see who takes the crown as the end of 2023 draws near. Model Y sale is up whereas COROLLA and RAV4 is down from 2022. Model Y cost nearly twice as much, yet the sale is up despite high interest rate.

 

[DuoRivians]

Great advertising for Ford haha

https://www.reddit.com/r/cybertruck/s/WDO7dn9aQj

Edit: it was the Christmas tree in the bed ?

 

[EVsinROC]

I didn't say Tesla "invented" any of this...Tesla is more like Apple... they take what others have tried and improve on it.

They did invent the custom 30X stainless steel that is only used by Tesla. Stainless steel rusts, tesla invented a custom SS that is both pliable and corrosion resistant. GigE in car on 48V architecture is also wild. Not to mention steer by wire.

 

[scottf200]

I enjoy some of your posts on here, but on this topic there is no hope for you. I don't care who "likes it" which includes you.
Only concerned with facts. If Rivian dropped 350kw charging, rear steer, 300+ mile range for $80k we'd be pumped.
Good luck on the hate train.

Tesla didn't do that either ...

Unclear which part you are disagreeing with? 350 kW on v4 Superchargers. 250 kW on v3/v2 Superchargers splitting the battery into two 400v systems.

 

[Stickboy46]

Unclear which part you are disagreeing with? 350 kW on v4 Superchargers. 250 kW on v3/v2 Superchargers splitting the battery into two 400v systems.

This is all the Tesla is confident enough to say it supports.

 

[scottf200]

This is all the Tesla is confident enough to say it supports.

Here is an official head Tesla guy who states it. See interview in the video at 34:00

350 kW on v4 superchargers - from official Tesla folks

34:00

 

[Stickboy46]

Here is an official head Tesla guy who states it. See interview in the video at 34:00

350 kW on v4 superchargers - from official Tesla folks

34:00

Unfortunately, that means nothing. Telsa all the way up to the CEO are notorious for promising that their products are capable of doing things that they actually aren't. See "Robo Taxi" .. or "Cybertruck can be used as a boat".

So no, Tesla did not release a vehicle with 350KW charging officially. It only supports 250KW officially. If they were confident in it .. they would have put it on the official specs page.

 

[scottf200]

Unfortunately, that means nothing. Telsa all the way up to the CEO are notorious for promising that their products are capable of doing things that they actually aren't. See "Robo Taxi" .. or "Cybertruck can be used as a boat".

So no, Tesla did not release a vehicle with 350KW charging officially. It only supports 250KW officially. If they were confident in it .. they would have put it on the official specs page.

The sky is blue.
Response: no, it is not!! ... and here is why

 

[Stickboy46]

The sky is blue.
Response: no, it is not!! ... and here is why

I look forward to your videos of you using your Cybertruck as a boat and then sending it off to be a Robo Taxi since you believe everything Tesla says off official record.

 

[scottf200]

I look forward to your videos of you using your Cybertruck as a boat and then sending it off to be a Robo Taxi since you believe everything Tesla says off official record.

Alex, I'll take WhatAboutisme for $1000. [since you can't even hear with your own ears when I point to Tesla tech people telling you ... then you go in the ignore list. Cheers.].

 

[Stickboy46]

Alex, I'll take WhatAboutisme for $1000. [since you can't even hear with your own ears when I point to Tesla tech people telling you ... then you go in the ignore list. Cheers.].

I'll take "fanboyism" for $10,000, Alex. If you take Tesla's unofficial word on ANYTHING as truth at this point, it just says something about you and it's not a good thing.

Simple fact: 250KW is the officially announced limit on the Cybertruck. No amount of Youtube videos will change that. If you get your truck, and it NEVER goes about 250KW .. guess what, you have no legal recourse because YouTube videos are irrelevant.

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