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If we believe what the gauge view is telling us it makes it hard to grasp that using conserve mode would wear your front tires down that much faster than not. I also still want answers why the regen is limited so hard.
What do you mean "regen so limited"?
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I was thinking these issues yesterday. I was descending down the mtn. I live on and watched the regen green spots on the diagram. I said, no wonder the front tires wear so fast! If the regen bias was reversed, the effect would be almost as saving as tire rotation, right?
Physics... cars have bigger brakes on the front, and _all_ vehicles have front biased braking because that is where the weight of the vehicle shifts. Front biased regen is just using physics to it's advantage, just like every other car on the road.
 

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What do you mean "regen so limited"?
Now that we can see motor and battery temp I don't know why it limits regen people have assumed its battery or motor temp but that cant be the case, I charge to 50% daily and leave the house with warm motors and battery yet it still limits my regen. The motors nor the battery ever get too hot so why is it doing it? I drive on rolling terrain for about 7 miles then descend from 8200ft to 5800ft daily. In that time my regen is maxed out to only recoup exactly 2kwhs, I assume if it let regen go full tilt I'd be able to recover around 5kwhs but it inexplicably limits itself and I get the warning that regen is limited.
 

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Now that we can see motor and battery temp I don't know why it limits regen people have assumed its battery or motor temp but that cant be the case, I charge to 50% daily and leave the house with warm motors and battery yet it still limits my regen. The motors nor the battery ever get too hot so why is it doing it? I drive on rolling terrain for about 7 miles then descend from 8200ft to 5800ft daily. In that time my regen is maxed out to only recoup exactly 2kwhs, I assume if it let regen go full tilt I'd be able to recover around 5kwhs but it inexplicably limits itself and I get the warning that regen is limited.
If you have a QM they have poor inverter cooling, which sounds like what you are seeing. They fixed that in the DM. Learning, growing.
 

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Gauge view is very interesting. Has anyone else noticed a front motor bias on acceleration?
Idk, seem to work as intended for me. Under "normal" acceleration.

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Idk, seem to work as intended for me. Under "normal" acceleration.

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That looks like Sport mode, correct? That looks like some extreme torque. You are braver than I am, for sure.
 

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That looks like Sport mode, correct? That looks like some extreme torque. You are braver than I am, for sure.
Sport mode yes, brave I don't think so.
I've heard on this forums that in all purpose mode and regular ride height limits torque output, so this was just a quick test to see how it feels.

Conclusion: it feels fast enough.
 

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Gauge view is very interesting. Has anyone else noticed a front motor bias on acceleration?

Clearly there is front motor bias on regen, which is fine, but I also see the rear motors used less on straight line acceleration. I have always felt this and now is I see apparently confirmed. I am always down for more RWD blend; is there any drive mode that will get me there? Is this merely a traction control or tire wear oddity? Would I get more RWD with more weight in the back?
When accelerating, the physics of the problem has the vehicle shifting weight towards the back and is more noticeable on the RWD vehicles. FWD vehicles too have the same phenomena as one of the Newton's laws that say for every action there is an opposite reaction.

By letting the front motor to "pull" more than letting the rear motor "push" the vehicle, the weight transfer is more controlled. In other words, it allows the drive wheels do their thing more effectively.

As you get off the line and speed builds, you should see the power gradually move towards rear wheel, balance, and eventually overtake the front motors, since the weight transfer return towards the natural distribution (mostly because the delta acceleration force is reduced).
 
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When accelerating, the physics of the problem has the vehicle shifting weight towards the back and is more noticeable on the RWD vehicles. FWD vehicles too have the same phenomena as one of the Newton's laws that say for every action there is an opposite reaction.

By letting the front motor to "pull" more than letting the rear motor "push" the vehicle, the weight transfer is more controlled. In other words, it allows the drive wheels do their thing more effectively.

As you get off the line and speed builds, you should see the power gradually move towards rear wheel, balance, and eventually overtake the front motors, since the weight transfer return towards the natural distribution (mostly because the delta acceleration force is reduced).
It sounds like you’re saying that the RWD push loads up the rear wheels with the inertia of the car, and that’s not optimal for traction. Also, the car will lurch back eventually, and pulling helps preempt the lurch. Makes sense. I do prefer the RWD Tesla feel, but that was a sedan, not a truck.
 
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By letting the front motor to "pull" more than letting the rear motor "push" the vehicle, the weight transfer is more controlled. In other words, it allows the drive wheels do their thing more effectively.
Hmm, that doesn't really pass the "sniff test" for me. Seems like basic Newtonian physics is at work and there is not really a way "pull" vs "push" affects weight transfer. I think RIP may be closer to the mark with the different front and rear motor/gear configurations on the quad motor.
 

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What I noticed on mine is the gauge view makes it appear like it has front wheel bias.

It also gives the impression of some serious front wheel regen bias. In fact towards the end of regen the front wheels have ALL the regen. Right when this happens is when my vehicle makes the tock sound.

I noticed this on videos I was creating to show how annoying the tock sound is on my vehicle. I had put the phone in the hold thing near the charging mat.
 

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What I noticed on mine is the gauge view makes it appear like it has front wheel bias.

It also gives the impression of some serious front wheel regen bias. In fact towards the end of regen the front wheels have ALL the regen. Right when this happens is when my vehicle makes the tock sound.

I noticed this on videos I was creating to show how annoying the tock sound is on my vehicle. I had put the phone in the hold thing near the charging mat.
As others have mentioned, the front bias on regen is normal and expected - basically all cars are designed with brake bias toward the front. Whether or not this is related to the "tock" is probably a moot point, since changing brake bias rearward is unlikely to be a desirable fix for that issue.
 

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As others have mentioned, the front bias on regen is normal and expected - basically all cars are designed with brake bias toward the front. Whether or not this is related to the "tock" is probably a moot point, since changing brake bias rearward is unlikely to be a desirable fix for that issue.
Accepting the facts regarding front bias for braking and regeneration which is in effect simply another form of braking, I would like to see something different in Rivian vehicles.

Particularly in the quad motor, where the motors are totally individually computer controlled, I would like to see each individual wheel used as fully as possible right up to the point just before losing traction in everything … braking, regeneration, and acceleration.

So if the rear wheels have traction use them as much as possible in braking and regeneration as long as they don’t loose traction. The way it appears to be now is that the front wheels do ALL the regenerative braking for the last little bit coming to a complete stop.

This does, in fact, cause additional wear on the front tires. I think some of the front bias can be shifted to the rear without them losing traction.
 

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Particularly in the quad motor, where the motors are totally individually computer controlled, I would like to see each individual wheel used as fully as possible right up to the point just before losing traction in everything … braking, regeneration, and acceleration.
This isn't possible. The computer can't know the point at which you lose traction without crossing it. There's no way to proactively go right up to the point of traction loss without crossing it. Car can sense traction loss and respond, it can't predict it.

What you don't want is to cause wheel slip every time people are stopping. On slick roads etc you'd be asking for people's rear ends to slip out all the time. Imagine the complaints if every rivian lost rear traction and fishtailed a bit every time you let off the gas on wet roads....
 

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This does, in fact, cause additional wear on the front tires. I think some of the front bias can be shifted to the rear without them losing traction.
I suppose you are free to think that, but unless you are an automotive engineer who worked on the Rivian I don't think you can state as a fact that it does cause additional front tire wear.
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