My Opinion on Max Pack Offering

[Electrified Outdoors]

not knocking folks who opted to buy max pack...just sharing my opinion on it.

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[Oldsmobile_Mike]

Summary?

 

[Electrified Outdoors]

Summary?

not worth it...my opinion.

 

[azbill]

For range, towing and charging, the Silverado EV is a better deal than the R1T with max pack.

 

[Electrified Outdoors]

For range, towing and charging, the Silverado EV is a better deal than the R1T with max pack.

Yes, and the silverado will be able to take advantage of 800v speeds also. I have had my eye on it. I have no plans on abandoning my R1T though. I just think the large pack is the best value. Even the standard pack, of the 270mi EPA range holds true might be enough for many with thr LFP pack.

What am I missing? The large is only a $6,000 premium over standard but the range bump is 82 miles for R1T.

 

[SANZC02]

not worth it...my opinion.

I think you missed couple other things to consider.

Battery degradation if you plan on keeping it long term would keep the range up.

On a trip where not necessarily using the extended range you could charge faster needing to go to a lower percent during charging with the larger pack.

You will not get the 10k premium back on resale but you will get some of it back.

I already have my R1S so large pack for me, not sure what way I would go if I were to replace it.

 

[Dark-Fx]

What am I missing? The large is only a $6,000 premium over standard but the range bump is 82 miles for R1T.

LFP isn't that much cheaper than the chemistry in the Large pack. I expect to hear Rivian is otherwise using all the same components besides the cells between all three. The bump up to bleeding edge cells in the max pack is worth increasing margin for, since it's somewhat of a "luxury" purchase.

 

[MountainBikeDude]

As @OutofSpecKyle mentioned in his OutofSpec podcast on this with Skyler, the rationale behind making max pack an Enduro only offering was likely due to the desire to hit that 400 mile range number, without compromising cabin space/payload/manufacturing simplicity. A Quad setup would probably be limited to large pack Enduro range of around 350 given the confirmation that the Max Pack is 142kWh usable, compared to the Large at 129kWh

Source
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a45434294/rivian-r1s-r1t-max-battery-details/

 

[Electrified Outdoors]

I think you missed couple other things to consider.

Battery degradation if you plan on keeping it long term would keep the range up.

On a trip where not necessarily using the extended range you could charge faster needing to go to a lower percent during charging with the larger pack.

You will not get the 10k premium back on resale but you will get some of it back.

I already have my R1S so large pack for me, not sure what way I would go if I were to replace it.

I see what your saying. With degradation though lets say you lose 2% per year over three years. Your losing more energy storage capacity on a larger pack.

On a 135kwh pack 2% would be 2.7 kwh. On a 149 kwh pack 2% would be 2.98 kwh. If it has more range from day 1 it will maintain an advantage but its losing more capacity to degradation then a large pack would.

The second point I agree ... in certain scenarios the added range may allow one to avoid a charging stop where you would have had to make a stop... be in a short stop... with the large pack. Even over multiple charging stops though it would be a very negligible difference. On longer trips it would take more time to add back the extra energy because it takes in more kwh.

Just like the off grid camping scenario... one has to decide if he/she finds value in it.

The two women who travel with ne wouldn't take kindly to not stopping.

Im really anxious to see this new quad motor variant they are talking about.

 

[Electrified Outdoors]

As @OutofSpecKyle mentioned in his OutofSpec podcast on this with Skyler, the rationale behind making max pack an Enduro only offering was likely due to the desire to hit that 400 mile range number, without compromising cabin space/payload/manufacturing simplicity. A Quad setup would probably be limited to large pack Enduro range of around 350 given the confirmation that the Max Pack is 142kWh usable, compared to the Large at 129kWh

Source
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a45434294/rivian-r1s-r1t-max-battery-details/

Whoa cool find.! 142kwh huh? So 13 extra kwh?

 

[DuoRivians]

Whoa cool find.! 142kwh huh? So 13 extra kwh?

Something doesn’t add up:

https://www.rivianforums.com/forum/threads/max-pack-confirmed-149kwh.19784/post-408292

 

[Electrified Outdoors]

Something doesn’t add up:

https://www.rivianforums.com/forum/threads/max-pack-confirmed-149kwh.19784/post-408292

Agree EPA numbers are different. 78 combined MPGe for large and 84 for max based on the monroney that you posted on the other thread.

 

[Dark-Fx]

Something doesn’t add up:

https://www.rivianforums.com/forum/threads/max-pack-confirmed-149kwh.19784/post-408292

Probably a lower percentage of buffer as well.

 

[SANZC02]

I see what your saying. With degradation though lets say you lose 2% per year over three years. Your losing more energy storage capacity on a larger pack.

On a 135kwh pack 2% would be 2.7 kwh. On a 149 kwh pack 2% would be 2.98 kwh. If it has more range from day 1 it will maintain an advantage but its losing more capacity to degradation then a large pack would.

The second point I agree ... in certain scenarios the added range may allow one to avoid a charging stop where you would have had to make a stop... be in a short stop... with the large pack. Even over multiple charging stops though it would be a very negligible difference. On longer trips it would take more time to add back the extra energy because it takes in more kwh.

Just like the off grid camping scenario... one has to decide if he/she finds value in it.

The two women who travel with ne wouldn't take kindly to not stopping.

Im really anxious to see this new quad motor variant they are talking about.

You missed the point about faster charging. Not saying fewer stops but more stops where you are probably staying under 70% so in the higher charge rates. Mine does not really start dropping off until around 73%, if I can stay under 70% I have the higher charge rate so shorter stops.

As for degradation, I think 2% a year is high but we can use that. Do the math, if leanear at 2% degradation a year after 10 years the large pack at 352 is now 287. The max pack starting at 400 is now 326. After 15 years you are 235 and 267.

 

[Electrified Outdoors]

You missed the point about faster charging. Not saying fewer stops but more stops where you are probably staying under 70% so in the higher charge rates. Mine does not really start dropping off until around 73%, if I can stay under 70% I have the higher charge rate so shorter stops.

As for degradation, I think 2% a year is high but we can use that. Do the math, if leanear at 2% degradation a year after 10 years the large pack at 352 is now 287. The max pack starting at 400 is now 326. After 15 years you are 235 and 267.

I see what your saying now... but hear me out. Lets forget about the EPA range and just focus on the energy. The EPA number usually are lower real world. Based on the usable capacity the max has a 9.2% advantage over large. While you would in theory stay in the higher charging rates longer you also have to put more energy into the pack which takes longer. I think see would have to see on this.

Also, on the degradation two percent is average... it can vary a bit though. EPA range is not a way i like to quantify degradation. Degradation is measured by the amount of energy that can be stored/extracted from the pack. Specifically its measured by usable capacity when new vs usable capacity at time of measurement/testing. So if i say I have 2% degradation on a pack. That has 200 kwh usable that means i have lost 4kwh of capacity.

The range and driving scenarios will vary. There may be minor differences but nothing sticks out at me to say its worth a $10,000 upgrade other than to say i can go 400mi on a charge... which is cool...but like i said in the video 10k will cover quite a few public charges... from 20-70% 320 times assuming.a cost of $0.50 per kwh.

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