How to wait in line for charger to free up?

[pricedm]

This is perfect timing to tell this story of bad etiquette from yesterday.

So the fun starts: A dude rolls up with a lady in a BMW of some EV sort.

I'll bite: 'nuff said at BMW owner and lack of etiquette

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[R1TCA]

I'll bite: 'nuff said at BMW owner and lack of etiquette

I wasn’t going to simplify it that much but… you get it ?

 

[Eeyore]

A scythe and black robe might be even more impactful.

could be a red robe

 

[MountainBikeDude]

I have to admit, I am not going to swap chargers at a station if I fall below the peak delivery of that unit I am plugged in to. If the one I am plugged into initially is working, that is the one I am going to use until I am done. However, in most situations, for most people, done is around 80%. One of the few times I saw someone trying to get to 100%, it was a Hyundai or Kia plugged into a 350kw station, charging over 80% when I arrived and into the 90%s when I left, about 30 minutes later. However, there was no line when I was there, but I doubt it would have bothered that individual, who looked confused because I arrived after and left before he did.

It's not a big deal if you don't, I'm just pointing out that a bolt or like vehicle plugged into a 350kw charger is part of the "clogging of the charger/etiquette" problem. You could charge a couple big vehicles to a substantial level in the time it takes for a bolt to trickle charge off the same connection it's just that some owners have no idea.

The charger labelling is part of the problem too. Fast 0-100, Super Fast 150, and Hyper Fast 350.

A guy pulled up in a lightning beside me a couple weeks ago frustrated the 350kw charger was down as he reluctantly pulled up to the 150kw charger. I told him it didn't really matter as his vehicle peak charges at around 157kw. He had no idea, but then thinking back realized that was all he was ever achieving. He was pretty stoked to know that, and while slightly disappointing, he found it helpful because he kept going out of his way to find 350kw chargers.

 

[Eeyore]

drag 'em out? Tempting...but yeah....

Isn't that what the tow hooks on the front are for?

 

[Donald Stanfield]

It’s always funny to read people commenting on joe six pack. Yeah most don’t drive evs because it’s not an interest of theirs but probably have more etiquette than a couple of people I ran into at EA chargers this past week and seems like many of you have run into. Had a family driving a Mach e that appeared anything but joe six pack watch me try to activate an EA charger for 10 minutes before I approached them to ask. They looked offended I bothered to talk to them and had nothing to say but “it’s broken”. Then joe six pack comes up and chats me up and helps me out with another charger that seemed down but wasn’t. Another time BMW ev stared me down after I waved hi. I later looked over and they were charging to 100% at 20kw in a 350 while others were lined up. Joe six pack in an electric f150 saw me and family and decided to unplug early because he thought he had enough to make it to his next destination. Also saw people trying to cut others off at chargers when it was obvious the others were there first (one jaguar and one bmw). Again anything other than joe six pack. 2 of my 6 ea stop this week were friendly and helpful joe six packs and rude upper class. Other 4 stops were great with nice people all around.

I would have to agree with this except for the rude upper class bit. The people you're talking about are not upper class, and the actual upper class people cannot stand them either. These are upperish middle class people, wedged between working class folk and people with actual financial freedom. The people who want you to see all the money they have and who need to be acknowledged as some big important person usually are slightly above middle of the pack and have a much bigger ego than accomplishment list.

I've been on both sides of this income level and both working class and actual wealthy people are as a group much more polite. My personal theory is that the Joe six pack guy is proud that he works hard and provides for his family but doesn't consider himself better than anyone. The wealthy person might also work hard but they have true financial freedom and don't see any reason to brag. It's a lousy thing to do if the person has much less than you, and all your peers also have financial freedom so bragging about a thing they could also easily buy is stupid. The group in the middle has just enough money for a taste of the wealthy lifestyle and they want everyone below them to know it because they don't actually have the true wealth which is freedom.

 

[rhumbliner]

I think the rule should be that the biggest EV goes next . . .

Off topic I know, but years ago when I was a sales rep in Spain I was riding around Valencia with my distributor and could discern no clear pattern to when he took the right-of-way and when he yielded. I finally asked who had the right-of-way at roundabouts and unmarked intersections and he answered me like I was a 6-year old: “The larger vehicle, of course”.

 

[Tmack7]

I would have to agree with this except for the rude upper class bit. The people you're talking about are not upper class, and the actual upper class people cannot stand them either. These are upperish middle class people, wedged between working class folk and people with actual financial freedom. The people who want you to see all the money they have and who need to be acknowledged as some big important person usually are slightly above middle of the pack and have a much bigger ego than accomplishment list.

I've been on both sides of this income level and both working class and actual wealthy people are as a group much more polite. My personal theory is that the Joe six pack guy is proud that he works hard and provides for his family but doesn't consider himself better than anyone. The wealthy person might also work hard but they have true financial freedom and don't see any reason to brag. It's a lousy thing to do if the person has much less than you, and all your peers also have financial freedom so bragging about a thing they could also easily buy is stupid. The group in the middle has just enough money for a taste of the wealthy lifestyle and they want everyone below them to know it because they don't actually have the true wealth which is freedom.

I didn’t mean to put upper class into the rude category, just wanted to differentiate from joe six pack. These people very well could have been middle of the pack. I guess the point was it doesn’t matter what walk of life you come from. You are going to get rude people with poor etiquette no matter where you go. While I know many people with financial freedom wealth that are very considerate and don’t flaunt anything I also know some that are entitled and have very poor etiquette.

 

[Will0077]

We used the Rivian Adventure Network station in Inyokern, CA this weekend, despite being full everyone was nice and nobody lingered in the spots after they finished charging enough to move on. Something about Rivian owners makes this situation much better than dealing with EA stations and drivers of other types of EVs!

 

[emoore]

We used the Rivian Adventure Network station in Inyokern, CA this weekend, despite being full everyone was nice and nobody lingered in the spots after they finished charging enough to move on. Something about Rivian owners makes this situation much better than dealing with EA stations and drivers of other types of EVs!

I wish the Salida RAN was that way. Out of the 4 RAN stations, 1 was open, 1 was being used and 2 were ICEd by Rivians. Really disappointing.

 

[Tahoe Man]

I wish the Salida RAN was that way. Out of the 4 RAN stations, 1 was open, 1 was being used and 2 were ICEd by Rivians. Really disappointing.

The ones that are iced by Rivians, can you park on the other side of the charger, unplug them and plug in your truck?

 

[SANZC02]

I wish the Salida RAN was that way. Out of the 4 RAN stations, 1 was open, 1 was being used and 2 were ICEd by Rivians. Really disappointing.

Always amazes me at how clueless/rude people are parking at a charger and not charging. One of the reasons I think all chargers should be at the furthest point of a parking lot.

Walmart in HB, CA used to have a couple of chargers very close to the front doors, they were always full of EV and hybrid cars parking there and not charging. My guess is the chargers are gone now because no one could ever charge there (or Walmart did not renew the lease and will have there own chargers there at some point).

 

[VSG]

2 were ICEd by Rivians

As in not plugged in at all, or plugged in but finished charging?
If the latter, it might be people who are trying to get as much free charge as possible but are unaware/forgot that their charging limit is set to 70% or something like that.

 

[emoore]

As in not plugged in at all, or plugged in but finished charging?
If the latter, it might be people who are trying to get as much free charge as possible but are unaware/forgot that their charging limit is set to 70% or something like that.

Not plugged in at all. Just parked there. I charged my R1T and then my friend charged his after mine was done. When we left 45 min later the 2 parked Rivians were still there not charging.

 

[emoore]

The ones that are iced by Rivians, can you park on the other side of the charger, unplug them and plug in your truck?

3 of the RANs are up against the Safeway building so can't do that. Tried with the pull thru trailer RAN but the cable was too short.

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