What would you do? Get LE version (300+) or wait for MaxPack (400+)?

[flabyboy]

https://batterymanguide.com/nissan-leaf-replacement-battery-cost/
Just as reference for a much smaller battery replacement as of today. As with anything, costs will drastically change over time.

Honestly. Even if it cost 10-15k a decade from now it may be worth it.

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[TessP100D]

Don’t forget you’ll also need to pay for your wheel upgrade.

But with that, I’m a max pack reservation holder. Don’t forget that 300 miles is the best rage. Your actual range with years down the line with 10% degradation, loaded with gear, cold temperatures, and a mountain to climb will be much worse.

I also predict resale value to be much better for max packs because battery degradation won’t be as much of an annoyance with the larger pack.

Wait for it……

Range is King.

always buy the biggest battery you can afford.

 

[gorwell]

I'm hoping October give us some clues as to how the truck behaves off road and how much energy it consumes. If I remember correctly, last year a preprod truck went on the Rebelle and it had a ~230mile pack. It averaged ~170miles on/off road and 50 miles in the sand. I believe they are going to compete again, but this time with a production truck, so it'll be interesting to compare last year's with this year's numbers. Who knows, they may even do it on the max pack version...

Unless you are driving off road solely. Rebelle rally isn't a reasonable indicator of range

In the q&a with RJ, he kind of said the trucks efficiency in passing....

He said 2to3 miles per kWh. That would be better than I would expect. However an EV this size is still an unknown, the public has no reference to understand what av EV truck is doing at highway speeds... So we have to wait for some range tests when people get them.

 

[Big_Ike]

I live in the PHX metroplex and have a place in Pinetop-Lakeside in eastern AZ with my brothers. It's a great area year round. It's about 180 miles uphill (both ways in the snow!!!) and we try to go several times a year. The 300 mile pack just isn't enough to get up there comfortably every trip and there are no CCS chargers on either of the direct routes up the hill.
Thus, I'm holding out for the Max pack. As @TessP100D would say - Range is King!

On a side note, I bought my daughter a Tesla Model 3 Standard Range Plus that has a 240 mile range and I regret it every day. I should have purchased the Long Range.

 

[TessP100D]

I live in the PHX metroplex and have a place in Pinetop-Lakeside in eastern AZ with my brothers. It's a great area year round. It's about 180 miles uphill (both ways in the snow!!!) and we try to go several times a year. The 300 mile pack just isn't enough to get up there comfortably every trip and there are no CCS chargers on either of the direct routes up the hill.
Thus, I'm holding out for the Max pack. As @TessP100D would say - Range is King!

On a side note, I bought my daughter a Tesla Model 3 Standard Range Plus that has a 240 mile range and I regret it every day. I should have purchased the Long Range.

We to bought 2 model 3’s.l to add to my rocket ship model S. Something like 240 miles of range. It’s just not big enough.

 

[DuckTruck]

I’d wager a battery replacement is not much more difficult than a frame replacement on a body on frame pickup(cough Toyota cough cough)

If the battery were damaged in an accident, the type that would damage a Toyota’s frame, I'll take your bet! ?

 

[crashmtb]

If the battery were damaged in an accident, the type that would damage a Toyota’s frame, I'll take your bet! ?

Toyota had a massive recall to replace pickup frames due to corrosion issues, lots of trucks had to had their frames replaced

 

[DuckTruck]

Toyota had a massive recall to replace pickup frames due to corrosion issues, lots of trucks had to had their frames replaced

Ahhhh! I did not know that. Toyota has such a great record of quality. I'll bet that was a great embarrassment for them.

 

[JayinNJ]

300 miles is plenty if you are not towing. I think it depends on how much you plan to do long-distance towing.

I would plan based on the assumption that towing will cut the range in half; that you only charge to 90%; that you stop to recharge at 10%; and that after a few years the battery will have degraded by 10%. 300*.9*.9*.9*.5 = 110 miles between stops when towing. And you are likely going to have to unhitch the trailer at each stop. It will be a very different experience than towing with an ICE or going on a BEV road trip without towing.

A 400 mile pack going to be subject to the same range reducing factors. You can only count on 145 miles between stops. But I think that the difference between 110 miles and 145 miles is significant enough to wait.

Don't believe 300+ is real though. Normally you will be only using the 80-20% portion of the pack between charges, add in cold, highway speeds, and degradation, your actual range will only be about 40% of that so more like 120+.

 

[crashmtb]

Don't believe 300+ is real though. Normally you will be only using the 80-20% portion of the pack between charges, add in cold, highway speeds, and degradation, your actual range will only be about 40% of that so more like 120+.

I have never seen a 60% loss of range in winter conditions(think -30F)
maaaybe half. In the only EV I’ve driven long distances, a model S 100D.
granted, no towing, but extreme cold and a headwind

 

[JayinNJ]

I’m curious what our options will be in 7-8 years when the battery may need replacing. Will a replacement pack be cheaper and more energy dense by then? That would be my hope. I do think charging will be more readily available and faster by then as well. I only wish Rivian had the latest tech with 800v charger

Needing to replace the battery in 7-8 years would be terrible longevity. No way it should need replacing already, the warranty is 8 years and it should last longer than that.

 

[DuckTruck]

Needing to replace the battery in 7-8 years would be terrible longevity. No way it should need replacing already, the warranty is 8 years and it should last longer than that.

Jason,

Good to see you jumped in here. This is a fun playground! Enjoy yourself!

 

[JayinNJ]

I have never seen a 60% loss of range in winter conditions(think -30F)
maaaybe half. In the only EV I’ve driven long distances, a model S 100D.
granted, no towing, but extreme cold and a headwind

No about 30% at least.. I was considering operational range of the battery on a trip of about 90%-20% (70%), lose 10% for highway speeds, 30% for cold, 5% degradation. So range between charges on a trip is (100-30-10-5) *70% = ~38.5% of the battery or ~120 miles. Forget about towing.

 

[flabyboy]

Needing to replace the battery in 7-8 years would be terrible longevity. No way it should need replacing already, the warranty is 8 years and it should last longer than that.

imagine the amount of mileage and recharge/discharge cycles would play big part. 8 years and I may have 150-200k miles on this thing ?‍ Who knows. Hope you are correct

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