Weight rating RAM 2363 wheels?

[Ripped]

My dude, I can appreciate your snobbery but you aren't showing any math and just mouthing off. .....

Not really. it's not up to me to do the math. It's up to an owner to put a properly spec'd part on their vehicle.
So it's rather the opposite. You are trying to justify adding an unrated wheel on your vehicle, and saying "prove that it can't go there."

Do you have anything in writing from Rivian saying it's okay?

Restating; Why would anyone put a wheel on their R1 that is under-capacity and has a history of bad castings and metal fatigue cracks.

At best some people are going to find themselves at the side of the road with a broken truck, at worst the cracked wheel is going to be flung catastrophically towards oncoming traffic.


https://www.ramforum.com/threads/cracked-oem-wheels.184101/

https://www.ramforumz.com/threads/cracked-rim-is-fd.44410/

https://www.ramforum.com/threads/cracked-a-wheel.77953/

https://www.ramforum.com/threads/broken-factory-rim.187167/

https://www.ramforum.com/threads/sport-rim-cracked-at-26k-kms.81303/page-2

https://www.ramforum.com/threads/factory-wheel-cracked.106735/



https://dodgeforum.com/forum/3rd-gen-ram-tech/322631-cracked-wheel.html

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[Riviot]

Not really. it's not up to me to do the math. It's up to an owner to put a properly spec'd part on their vehicle.
So it's rather the opposite. You are trying to justify adding an unrated wheel on your vehicle, and saying "prove that it can't go there."

Do you have anything in writing from Rivian saying it's okay?

Restating; Why would anyone put a wheel on their R1 that is under-capacity and has a history of bad castings and metal fatigue cracks.

At best some people are going to find themselves at the side of the road with a broken truck, at worst the cracked wheel is going to be flung catastrophically towards oncoming traffic.


https://www.ramforum.com/threads/cracked-oem-wheels.184101/

https://www.ramforumz.com/threads/cracked-rim-is-fd.44410/

https://www.ramforum.com/threads/cracked-a-wheel.77953/

https://www.ramforum.com/threads/broken-factory-rim.187167/

https://www.ramforum.com/threads/sport-rim-cracked-at-26k-kms.81303/page-2

https://www.ramforum.com/threads/factory-wheel-cracked.106735/



https://dodgeforum.com/forum/3rd-gen-ram-tech/322631-cracked-wheel.html

Not one of those are the 2363.

Back to my original point, you're conflating wheel load rating with tire load index. Similar ideas, what's the max weight they can take, but you're just saying "under-spec" without providing a spec. I want to know the wheel's load rating too, but I'm not saying "100% it's good", I'm showing you that the tires you called under-spec actually are within spec, so your opinion on the wheels is sus at best.

 

[Ripped]

Not one of those are the 2363.

Could care less. That company has reputation for major wheel failures. Just because you say it's okay to use a 15-17 year old second hand wheel on a truck with 2000# + Gross vehicle rating??

I bet if something happens, both your vehicle insurance and warranty is voided.

Why people will cheap out and do this to a new vehicle, is beyond me. Pretty irresponsible recommending these wheels to other owners, I just hope no one is driving near by when something happens.

I mean it's not like a power window switch. If something happens with a wheel while you are driving, it's going to be bad. Better if you go back to your own thread where your going to be more well received.

It's dangerous advise. Honestly If I ran the forum, I'd pull the thread that advocates the wheels, but then again that's just me.

https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending...els-could-fly-off/RMOTOOQP6ZBVPPMXIHG6DONTN4/

https://www.thebarnesfirm.com/ram-trucks-recalled-after-reports-of-wheels-falling-off/

https://www.ttnews.com/articles/ram-trucks-recalled-wheels-could-fall

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/ram-recalls-over-half-a-million-trucks-over-tires-falling-off/

 

[Riviot]

Could care less. That company has reputation for major wheel failures. Just because you say it's okay to use a 15-17 year old second hand wheel on a truck with 2000# + Gross vehicle rating??

I bet if something happens, both your vehicle insurance and warranty is voided.

Why people will cheap out and do this to a new vehicle, is beyond me. Pretty irresponsible recommending these wheels to other owners, I just hope no one is driving near by when something happens.

I mean it's not like a power window switch. If something happens with a wheel while you are driving, it's going to be bad. Better if you go back to your own thread where your going to be more well received.

It's dangerous advise. Honestly If I ran the forum, I'd pull the thread that advocates the wheels, but then again that's just me.

https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending...els-could-fly-off/RMOTOOQP6ZBVPPMXIHG6DONTN4/

https://www.thebarnesfirm.com/ram-trucks-recalled-after-reports-of-wheels-falling-off/

https://www.ttnews.com/articles/ram-trucks-recalled-wheels-could-fall

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/ram-recalls-over-half-a-million-trucks-over-tires-falling-off/

Nah bro, I'll stand my ground on this one. Thanks for the suggestion though.

I'll admit I'm still suspicious of using it for off-road, but honestly I've been beating them to hell that last few weeks on rough roads and they're standing up great. Yeah, they're better use as a spare, but damn it I think they look good and work just fine.

Your scare tactics and "I know better, Dodge is trash" persona is what bothers me most. Provide actual information for these specific wheels, what the OP was asking and what I'm curious about, or fuck right off. You quoted a dually Ram issue with over-torqued lugs affecting studs as a reason the wheels are unsafe and "flying off the truck", from a completely unrelated wheel, on a different truck than we pulled our wheels.

From one of your articles,
"Service and owner’s manuals had incorrect torque specs for the lug nuts holding the wheels to the hubs. Some get over-tightened. This causes damage to the wheel studs and potentially resulting in “wheel separation.”"

It isn't about the money, it's about the fun of doing a project on the truck and becoming independent of the "do as the dealer says" mentality. I'm happy to test mule and try things others suggest, this being a major one.

It's a good thing you don't run the forum, it would be nothing but links to the Rivian website, manual, and shop. A real fun place.

In a nutshell... I'm smart, you're dumb, I'm big, you're little, I'm right, you're wrong.

 

[Ripped]

Nah bro, I'll stand my ground on this one. Thanks for the suggestion though.



In a nutshell... I'm smart, you're dumb, I'm big, you're little, I'm right, you're wrong.

Clearly you will, but in case a few people who read this thread happen to weight the options.

While the lug nut spacing might be the same, In addition to everything else, the Chrysler/Ram/Stellantis wheel uses a larger center bore diameter.

So what that means, instead of the wheel load being transferred to the center hub on the spindle, it is now transferred to the wheel studs.

So in addition to the clamping force that the lug nuts are designed for to hold the wheel in place, they are now subjected to shear force.

In some cases wheels on older vehicles were lug-centric. Not in this case.

So the whole vehicle load is now transferred to the five wheel studs. Even if the wheel were perfect in all other regards (which it is not) it is highly inadvisable.

If it were a smaller center bore, a machine shop/wheel shop could machine the correct diameter.

In this case it's not, so there is an air-gap between the wheel and spindle seat.

Just because the lug nut spacing is the same, doesn't necessarily make it the correct wheel for your vehicle.

Still remains ill advised

 

[KootenayEV]

Clearly you will, but in case a few people who read this thread happen to weight the options.

While the lug nut spacing might be the same, In addition to everything else, the Chrysler/Ram/Stellantis wheel uses a larger center bore diameter.

So what that means, instead of the wheel load being transferred to the center hub on the spindle, it is now transferred to the wheel studs.

So in addition to the clamping force that the lug nuts are designed for to hold the wheel in place, they are now subjected to shear force.

In some cases wheels on older vehicles were lug-centric. Not in this case.

So the whole vehicle load is now transferred to the five wheel studs. Even if the wheel were perfect in all other regards (which it is not) it is highly inadvisable.

If it were a smaller center bore, a machine shop/wheel shop could machine the correct diameter.

In this case it's not, so there is an air-gap between the wheel and spindle seat.

Just because the lug nut spacing is the same, doesn't necessarily make it the correct wheel for your vehicle.

Still remains ill advised

Just a note that people have been buying a reducer to ensure that the wheel is still bearing on the hub. I've decided I'm not comfortable trying the wheel myself, so for this winter I'm just swapping the tires on the rims.

 

[Ripped]

Just to summarize so people don't have to browse the whole thread.

Fact; The Ram wheel/rim in question was designed for a 1500 series Ram truck which has a Gross Vehicle weight approximately 2000# less than the Rivian, and has no identifiable load rating/capacity.

Fact; Known to the truck world and Ram owners especially, Ram truck wheels/rims have had an abundance of cracking due to fatigue, poor manufacture or whatever. You can do your own google search or check the links earlier in the thread.

Fact; Stellantis (after many wheels fell off trucks) issued a recall for half a million Dodge/Ram trucks to replace defective wheels. (links provided earlier in the thread)

Fact; The center bore diameter of the Stellantis wheel is larger (77mm) that the Rivian (64mm) creating a gap at the whee; spindle/hub transferring unintended load to the wheel studs. Do your own google search on this.

Adding to that if someone purchases a used rim, has no idea of the serviceabilty of the wheel. (ie; over-torqued, cracks, bad casting)

I think there is a reason why there is a proliferation of used Dodge truck rims,

 

[Riviot]

Clearly you will, but in case a few people who read this thread happen to weight the options.

While the lug nut spacing might be the same, In addition to everything else, the Chrysler/Ram/Stellantis wheel uses a larger center bore diameter.

So what that means, instead of the wheel load being transferred to the center hub on the spindle, it is now transferred to the wheel studs.

So in addition to the clamping force that the lug nuts are designed for to hold the wheel in place, they are now subjected to shear force.

In some cases wheels on older vehicles were lug-centric. Not in this case.

So the whole vehicle load is now transferred to the five wheel studs. Even if the wheel were perfect in all other regards (which it is not) it is highly inadvisable.

If it were a smaller center bore, a machine shop/wheel shop could machine the correct diameter.

In this case it's not, so there is an air-gap between the wheel and spindle seat.

Just because the lug nut spacing is the same, doesn't necessarily make it the correct wheel for your vehicle.

Still remains ill advised

WHEEL CONNECT Hub Centric Rings, 77.8 to 64.1, Set of 4,Aluminium Alloy Hubrings, O.D:77.8mm I.D 64.1mm. A https://a.co/d/8iHilYS

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[Riviot]

Just to summarize so people don't have to browse the whole thread.

Fact; The Ram wheel/rim in question was designed for a 1500 series Ram truck which has a Gross Vehicle weight approximately 2000# less than the Rivian, and has no identifiable load rating/capacity.

Fact; Known to the truck world and Ram owners especially, Ram truck wheels/rims have had an abundance of cracking due to fatigue, poor manufacture or whatever. You can do your own google search or check the links earlier in the thread.

Fact; Stellantis (after many wheels fell off trucks) issued a recall for half a million Dodge/Ram trucks to replace defective wheels. (links provided earlier in the thread)

Fact; The center bore diameter of the Stellantis wheel is larger (77mm) that the Rivian (64mm) creating a gap at the whee; spindle/hub transferring unintended load to the wheel studs. Do your own google search on this.

Adding to that if someone purchases a used rim, has no idea of the serviceabilty of the wheel. (ie; over-torqued, cracks, bad casting)

I think there is a reason why there is a proliferation of used Dodge truck rims,

I had to erase my truth and knowledge-based argument with a troll-gif because I'm pretty confident that's what we have at this point. I'm happy to keep playing, but we're done with "facts."

 

[SSteveEV]

I really wish there was a way to figure out why there is a proliferation of Ram wheels out there...
Must be that they all crack and get scrapped. Couldn't be a large number of trucks and something many like to update for looks/size with a massive aftermarket selection...

Look, your point is noted, we are trying to find details specific to this model rim and literally none of your details (besides overlooking the rings included in the setup) has been rim specific. Please channel your efforts into something helpful. For instance I googled metallurgy forums to see how worried I should be with old aluminum. Turns out not that worried but a little worried.

 

[Riviot]

I really wish there was a way to figure out why there is a proliferation of Ram wheels out there...
Must be that they all crack and get scrapped. Couldn't be a large number of trucks and something many like to update for looks/size with a massive aftermarket selection...

 

[Riviot]

I picked up my latest batch of 2363 wheels with Pirelli AS+3 275/60R20, a 115 load index, and talked to their tire/wheel guy who worked at Discount Tire for 8 years before joining his friend in the powdercoating business. The dude is a walking encyclopedia of wheels and tires, so I had to ask about this topic. Tldr; nothing to worry about.

I expressed concern about the Ram 1500 rear GAWR being less than R1T, and the wheels taking more pressure. He immediately said "Oh those wheels? 2363s can take over 3600lbs per wheel. They way overspec wheels for the tires you put on them. We used to put 125 load index tires on the Rams with these. I'd be more concerned about what tires you put on there, these wheels are fine." He rambled a bit about my Wildpeaks and spat out numbers on them, he's a big fan of them from his experience. He pointed to the thick spokes and talked about wheel construction,

Granted it's all hearsay, my concerns are alleviated.

 

[Mattward439]

Let's just pretend they don't meet weight ratings, because they're ugly AF and make our Rivian's look cheap.

Problem solved!!

(that's just like...my opinion man)

Here's my 2363s with snows. I like this look a lot. So did the guys at the tire shop.

 

[Riviot]

Here's my 2363s with snows. I like this look a lot. So did the guys at the tire shop.

Is that a crack in the front wheel?

 

[ksurfier]

Thank you all for your service, been thoroughly entertained reading these posts. Riviot - what was your long term efficiency results on that lite weight setup you had on previously?

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