Tesla starts pushing dumb-down version of Full Self-Driving v13

[Zoidz]

Electrek.co - Tesla starts pushing dumb-down version of Full Self-Driving v13

Tesla has started pushing a dumb-down version of Full Self-Driving (FSD) v13 to some external customers in an attempt not to have its timeline slip for two months in a row.


For the last few months, Tesla has started posting monthly “AI roadmap updates” for owners to keep track of its goal to deliver unsupervised self-driving by the end of Q2 2025.

The highly anticipated FSD v13 update was October’s main goal before it slipped into the November roadmap.

With hours left to November, Tesla started pushing v13.2 to some early-access customers in the US last night.

However, according to the release, Tesla is pushing a dumbed-down version of v13. Here are the release notes:

Includes:

• 36 Hz, full-resolution AI4 video inputs
• Native AI4 inputs and neural network architectures
• 4.2x data scaling
• 5x training compute scaling (enabled by the Cortext cluster)
• Reduced photon-to-control latency by 2x
• Speed Profiles on both City Streets and Highways
• Start FSD (Supervised) from Park with the touch of a button
• Integrated unpark, reverse, and park capabilities
• Improved reward predictions for collision avoidance
• Improved camera cleaning
• Redesigned controller for smoother, more accurate tracking
• Dynamic routing around road closures, which displays them along an affected route when they are detected by the fleet

Upcoming Improvements:

• 3x model size scaling
• 3x model context length scaling
• Audio inputs for better handling of emergency vehicles
• Improved reward predictions for navigation
• Improvements to false braking and slower driving in parking lots
• Support for destination options including pulling over, parking in a spot, driveway, or garage
• Efficient representation of maps and navigation inputs
• Improved handling of camera occlusions

Many of the features listed in “upcoming improvements”, especially the three times increase in model size scaling and model context length scaling, were in the notes about the v13 that Tesla was supposed to release in November.

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[ndmiller]

Who cares, this is a Rivian forum.

Tesla FSD is nothing more than a scam and has been for years. Pay $XX,XXX for something that is coming in the future that still isn't here, namely Full-Self-Driving. Sure their cars can drive from here to there while you watch, OR they crash into stationary objects while you watch. Which will it be?

FWIW, I'm buying a Y before the end of the year for my youngest as our 4th car, they make a great, inexpensive option with current lease and referral $1K off. The FSD portion is a hard no.

 

[Zoidz]

Who cares, this is a Rivian forum.

Tesla FSD is nothing more than a scam and has been for years. Pay $XX,XXX for something that is coming in the future that still isn't here, namely Full-Self-Driving. Sure their cars can drive from here to there while you watch, OR they crash into stationary objects while you watch. Which will it be?

FWIW, I'm buying a Y before the end of the year for my youngest as our 4th car, they make a great, inexpensive option with current lease and referral $1K off. The FSD portion is a hard no.

lol, based on the various discussions about Tesla, Tesla FSD, and other brands of EVs here over the years, plenty of people here are interested in what is going on.

If you didn't care, why did you respond and then post about your Tesla? ?

 

[Supratachophobia]

What the hell is the jargon they are using? It was the same campy weirdness at the robot thing.

 

[SactownD]

I wish my Rivian could do even a fraction of what is offered in FSD. This dumb version looks like it is getting close to true autonomous driving from what I can see on YouTube videos. Doubting they’ll have it ready as promised in 2025, but 2026 seems like it’s a real possibility.

 

[eskudo12791]

Rivian uses radar and spikes my brakes at least once a day on the highway due to shadows caused by overpasses... "improved safety" lol. Comma ai uses one camera, verifies against radar and is leaps and bounds better than Rivian.

 

[SwampNut]

What exactly is the "dumbed down" part?

Even basic Autopilot, which is free, blows away the 2015 ADAS in the Rivian. The only reason I traded the Tesla for the Rivian is needing a truck, and the Cybertruck is a bad joke. Rivian is dead last among any modern driver assist systems. Too bad all the other trucks have their own problems and lacking in other places.

 

[bigsky]

Who cares, this is a Rivian forum.

Tesla FSD is nothing more than a scam and has been for years. Pay $XX,XXX for something that is coming in the future that still isn't here, namely Full-Self-Driving. Sure their cars can drive from here to there while you watch, OR they crash into stationary objects while you watch. Which will it be?

FWIW, I'm buying a Y before the end of the year for my youngest as our 4th car, they make a great, inexpensive option with current lease and referral $1K off. The FSD portion is a hard no.

Who cares about FSD, eh?
Apparently, you do; you answered?

 

[Dark-Fx]

Rivian uses radar and spikes my brakes at least once a day on the highway due to shadows caused by overpasses... "improved safety" lol. Comma ai uses one camera, verifies against radar and is leaps and bounds better than Rivian.

Probably an issue with your vehicle. Phantom braking is exceptionally rare in both of my Rivians.

 

[Zoidz]

Probably an issue with your vehicle. Phantom braking is exceptionally rare in both of my Rivians.

I experienced phantom braking one a week or so when I first took delivery in June 23. More recently, I recall 2 phantom brakings in the past 6 months.

 

[SactownD]

Mine doesn’t brake for shadows but it does lose the lane markings, especially under bridges, from time to time. Mostly I get phantom braking when there is a corner on the road and a vehicle in the adjacent lane.

 

[Supratachophobia]

Rivian uses radar and spikes my brakes at least once a day on the highway due to shadows caused by overpasses... "improved safety" lol. Comma ai uses one camera, verifies against radar and is leaps and bounds better than Rivian.

It's a two edged sword. On the one hand you'd think that verification would be the way to go. But then on the other hand, the one system decision is how you prevent people like Josh Brown from being decapitated. That's the whole reason we have phantom braking now.

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