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Do they not have exceptions for 4WD/AWD + 3PMSF tires?
That's more or less how it is in Colorado. Their poor excuse for a passenger vehicle chain law doesn't even specify 3PMSF tires...only M+S. Also no checkpoints so people go up in the mountains all the time with thoroughly insufficient tires and get the roads closed. There is a passenger vehicle chain law, but I don't recall it being activated before the roads just get closed.
They sure do
Californiaās winter tire rules are basically the same.
The āno chains or cablesā is probably a safer blanket statement than āonly this chain/cable model from this manufacturer made on thursdays will fit without chewing stuff up at full steering lockā.
When my dad first moved to Big Bear he drove a 2wd Ranger so he had have chains. Few years laster he upgraded to a F250 4wd on 33s. He would put the chains he bough for the Ranger in his toolbox and just show that he had them with him. No one ever checked the size only that he had them.
No. See below for the official rules from https://wsdot.com/travel/real-time/mountainpasses/tiresandchains
That is not what it says, they are still required (that is why I called out the āChains required on all vehiclesā section):
I have been driving over the Donner Pass on I-80 for 23 winters in a row and have never once seen this invoked, including the time I was stuck in a line of traffic for more than 12 hours with my dogā¦ I have always crossed in an AWD vehicle (e.g. Audi allroad) with just M+S tires and have always been waved through by Caltrans.
There may be regional differences or even differences based upon who is on duty. I had to show that I had chains with me once over two winters diving into the San Bernardino Mountains. This was in our Land Rover LR3 with AT 3PMS tires. I think that the CHP was pretty strict to save people who live in the mountains from Los Angeles and Orange County drivers who cannot drive safely in the rain and may not even have functioning windshield wipers. This may also be a difference between a region people have to drive through (Donner Pass I-80) versus a region people are optionally driving to (mountain towns).
I was so annoyed in November coming over Donner, 75 degrees and sunny.
Nah, we were all fleeing forest fire smoke. November is wildfire season nowā¦
As far as I can tell, there is no more fire season, just fire. All the time.
Sad but true.
Well the OP didnāt really specify where the favorite winter destination was. If itās at the top of a hilly muddy snowy off-road trail, then point taken. If itās cruising on a plowed interstate to Tahoe, the 20ā ATs seem sufficient.
