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I wanted to share a very unfortunate event from a snowstorm drive last week. Bottom line: I ended up against a tree after sliding through a downhill curve, through a shallow ditch and about 20’ of heavy brush.

I was in Snow Mode and driving at a cautious speed since conditions were poor and plows/salt trucks had not been out yet. However, despite my many years of driving in Midwestern winter wether with no issues, I found myself unable to correct my slide by tried and true techniques: take foot off pedals and resist steering until traction is regained.

To be fair, there were numerous cars off the same road that evening to the point the sheriff closed the road twice due to accidents. So maybe there was nothing that could have prevented my accident at that time in those conditions. That was my original thought until I reviewed the incident video in my R1S.

What I noticed in the video, however, was that my brakes were applied a bit before I slid and went off the road - even though my foot was not on a pedal. I assume this was the regen engaging and locking up my wheels since I was at low speed and it thought I was coming to a stop. The Snow Mode documentation says it “reduces” regen, but that was not enough in this case. There should be no regen braking at all or only some sort of anti-lock regen if any (if that is possible).

Going forward (once my extensive damage is repaired), I will manually turn off regen whenever there are slippery winter conditions. I hope Rivian refines these settings to address this risk in the future so others don’t have the same result as me.

Now I start the long, frustrating process of coordinating collision repairs and insurance approvals - and not being able to drive my R1S!
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You shouldn't just lift off everything in a slide. Need to reprogram your muscle memory for these situations.
 

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Holy moly. I'm sorry that happened to you!

I live in Ct. We get snow, but thanks to climate change, not as much. But still, it snows. I actually enjoy driving through it, and after decades, feel comfortable.

BUT.

What I don't need to introduce to the experience, is the R1T thinking it knows better than I on how to get through it, or recover from a slide from it.

Stay off the damn brakes. Ease off the gas, turn into the skid, recover from slide.

I dont need regen, at all. When its slippery, all that will give me is locked up wheels and a unrecoverable slide.
 

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Really sorry to hear that! Hope you get back on the road with you R1S soon.

100% agree the snow mode isn't doing enough.

In my limited ownership and all in winter and in Tahoe snows (heavy snow & steep roads), I had to quickly learn to - turn on snow mode, reduce regen to lowest setting that is allowed, and reduce traction to low (minimal). I am on 22in all-season tires. I don't go often enough in snow to invest in a 2nd set of winter wheel+tire package.
 

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Taking your foot off the accelerator is the same as putting your foot on the brake pedal. Tried and true Midwestern technique doesn't work in an EV with regen breaking. Low is the lightest option with a Rivian. There is no "off" option. Sorry this happened to you.
 

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That sucks. You didn’t say but I assume everyone was alright. Sounds like you did everything you could to prevent it. I didn’t know the video showed the wheels or braking. My only recommendation would be to put it in neutral when going down hill in those conditions. I did this in my Ram and do it now with my R1T. Hope everything works out for you.
 

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Taking your foot off the accelerator is the same as putting your foot on the brake pedal. Tried and true Midwestern technique doesn't work in an EV with regen breaking. Low is the lightest option with a Rivian. There is no "off" option. Sorry this happened to you.
I'll go look when I head home, but IIRC in snow mode you can push and hold regen options to select "off"... I'll try to remember to confirm that
 

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I'll go look when I head home, but IIRC in snow mode you can push and hold regen options to select "off"... I'll try to remember to confirm that
You cannot. That's for traction control.
 

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I wanted to share a very unfortunate event from a snowstorm drive last week. Bottom line: I ended up against a tree after sliding through a downhill curve, through a shallow ditch and about 20’ of heavy brush.

I was in Snow Mode and driving at a cautious speed since conditions were poor and plows/salt trucks had not been out yet. However, despite my many years of driving in Midwestern winter wether with no issues, I found myself unable to correct my slide by tried and true techniques: take foot off pedals and resist steering until traction is regained.

To be fair, there were numerous cars off the same road that evening to the point the sheriff closed the road twice due to accidents. So maybe there was nothing that could have prevented my accident at that time in those conditions. That was my original thought until I reviewed the incident video in my R1S.

What I noticed in the video, however, was that my brakes were applied a bit before I slid and went off the road - even though my foot was not on a pedal. I assume this was the regen engaging and locking up my wheels since I was at low speed and it thought I was coming to a stop. The Snow Mode documentation says it “reduces” regen, but that was not enough in this case. There should be no regen braking at all or only some sort of anti-lock regen if any (if that is possible).

Going forward (once my extensive damage is repaired), I will manually turn off regen whenever there are slippery winter conditions. I hope Rivian refines these settings to address this risk in the future so others don’t have the same result as me.

Now I start the long, frustrating process of coordinating collision repairs and insurance approvals - and not being able to drive my R1S!
Unfortunately, you can't turn off regen completely. The best you can do is low, but Snow mode doesn't even default to that anymore, it stays in the last used setting. They need some serious work on Snow mode IMHO...
 

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They need some serious work on Snow mode IMHO...
It already seems to be improved from last winter season. Admittedly I am on winter tires (was last season too), but you can now put down power better and even on high regen in snow mode I don't see the lockups that I did last year. Is it perfect...no, but it does seem better than it was. Having proper winter tires on a 7000 lbs behemoth will always make more of a difference than a traction and stability program ever can.
 

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It already seems to be improved from last winter season. Admittedly I am on winter tires (was last season too), but you can now put down power better and even on high regen in snow mode I don't see the lockups that I did last year. Is it perfect...no, but it does seem better than it was. Having proper winter tires on a 7000 lbs behemoth will always make more of a difference than a traction and stability program ever can.
I agree. Locomotion is excellent, but slowing is terrible. Very hard to imagine a situation where a driver could even engage the anti-lock brakes...

You'd have to manually balance the throttle to ensure no power and no regen, then use your off-foot to activate the brakes, all while potentially managing a slide.
 

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It already seems to be improved from last winter season. Admittedly I am on winter tires (was last season too), but you can now put down power better and even on high regen in snow mode I don't see the lockups that I did last year. Is it perfect...no, but it does seem better than it was. Having proper winter tires on a 7000 lbs behemoth will always make more of a difference than a traction and stability program ever can.
I always tell people 'winter tires are the cheat mode for snow driving' because it makes SO much difference...
Nothing is perfect, but good winter tires make a huge difference in traction.
 

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It’s counter intuitive… but I figured out you have to feather the accelerator to keep the wheels from locking up.

I had a similar experience going down an iced up hill a few weeks ago (I didn’t know it was iced up until I was on it)… luckily it was wide and there were no other cars on it with me. I was able to recover before hitting a guard rail.

Retraining 30ish years of driving muscle memory in a panic situation is not easy.

Rivian should add the ability to turn off regen temporarily in snow mode. Even if it requires pushing a button on the steering wheel (like for trailer brakes) to do it.
 

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Sorry to hear about your troubles, but thank you for reminding folks to be cautious, change habits, and mind your installed equipment.

This weekend, we took forest roads into the Olympic national Forest for Dougie to trot around in snow. After some freezing rain, I learned that the AT3Ws are awful on icy stuff and the 7000 lbs kept sliding sideways. I couldn't imagine taking a downhill turn in those conditions, so we only ventured down flat terrain and decided against steeper/angled roads.
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